Flat Earth

[jtc]

Feb 15, 2016 19:19:26 GMT VapingBad said:

You could always get abducted by aliens hitch a lift from one of those UFOs

Yeah I'm surprised there's no cgi of them sitting on the satellites

[thebishman]

Feb 15, 2016 19:26:10 GMT minime said:

The Greeks discovered that the earth is round by observing lunar eclipses (i.e. when the earth blocks the sun from the moon, casting its round shadow on the moon's surface).

Another method is simultaneously measuring the length of the shadows cast by identical poles perpendicular to a flat surface that is tangential to the earth's radius at various, distant locations. If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface. (This was one of the earliest methods to determine the radius of the earth)

Also, keep in mind the 24 hour time zones. When it is noon in Hawaii, it is approximately midnight in the Middle East and vice versa. How can it be noon and midnight simultaneously? It is certainly impossible with a flat earth and a sun millions of times more massive.

If I were a billionaire and physically fit, then proving to you the earth is round would be no problem. I can just take you with me on the space shuttle and we'll watch with our own eyes the earth from the orbiting International Space Station.

I have heard from astronauts that there is no experience comparable as watching the earth from above.

There is absolutley no way you wrote that lmao

[jtc]

Feb 15, 2016 19:26:10 GMT minime said:

The Greeks discovered that the earth is round by observing lunar eclipses (i.e. when the earth blocks the sun from the moon, casting its round shadow on the moon's surface).

Another method is simultaneously measuring the length of the shadows cast by identical poles perpendicular to a flat surface that is tangential to the earth's radius at various, distant locations. If indeed the earth is round, then the shadows should all vary in length from one distant location to another, which means that the angle at which the parallel rays of sunlight struck each pole varied from one location to another. (recall the alternate-angles theorem from Geometry class) If the earth is flat, then the lengths of all the shadows should be identical when measured simultaneously, since all rays of sunlight that strike the earth are parallel. However, they are not identical, but in fact, varies in such a way that the angles indicate a spherical surface. (This was one of the earliest methods to determine the radius of the earth)

Also, keep in mind the 24 hour time zones. When it is noon in Hawaii, it is approximately midnight in the Middle East and vice versa. How can it be noon and midnight simultaneously? It is certainly impossible with a flat earth and a sun millions of times more massive.

If I were a billionaire and physically fit, then proving to you the earth is round would be no problem. I can just take you with me on the space shuttle and we'll watch with our own eyes the earth from the orbiting International Space Station.

I have heard from astronauts that there is no experience comparable as watching the earth from above.

Ahahahahahaha
Good copy and paste
Trouble is FE people say the sun isn't that far away or that large and through trigonometry of rays through the clouds can prove this.
The other thing about being a billionaire and going to the space station and proving it.
Don't you get it.
BILLIONAIRE
Exactly
That's what we are making them

[*-SARIN-*]

Feb 15, 2016 18:52:19 GMT jtc said:

Feb 15, 2016 18:04:49 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Satellites are owned by a company or a country, you can't just piggy back any one you want.  Not all satellites are GPS, none do phones by default.

Oh right then so who takes payment for said satellite, makes them and apparently puts them in space?

Boeing, Thales, Lockheed Martin off the top of my head and they cost like a gazillion pounds each.  They're fired into space via a rocket often without anything to do with NASA.  Other companies can buy time on the satellites or a specific bandwidth / frequency.  On a different note, if you need to call 999 but have no signal dial anyway as it will divert to use a satellite rather than a tower.  

[jtc]

Oh right a gazillion pounds ay
Hmmm that sounds about right

[Richard46]

Feb 15, 2016 19:25:16 GMT jtc said:

Feb 15, 2016 19:13:33 GMT Richard46 said:

I am interested in why closing ones mind to evidence is invariably described as being 'open-minded'.

Ahahahahahaha that's one way of putting things and seems to work from both sides.
I think the trouble is working out who is making up evidence and who has an agenda.
My problem is that control from governments and other high powers with them don't usually really care about us.
One example is our vaping and how they are bending all that to suit.
This trate seems very common and I just find myself being very skeptical of anything they do and say

Both sides? Not sure about that . I only ever hear 'open minded' as describing those who believe in things that there is no substantial evidence for. The suggestion is always that those who are receptive to hard evidence are closed-minded which seems a tad unfair.

[*-SARIN-*]

Feb 15, 2016 19:33:37 GMT jtc said:

Oh right a gazillion pounds ay
Hmmm that sounds about right

Well you know, roughly

[VapingBad]

Feb 15, 2016 19:25:16 GMT jtc said:

Feb 15, 2016 19:13:33 GMT Richard46 said:

I am interested in why closing ones mind to evidence is invariably described as being 'open-minded'.

Ahahahahahaha that's one way of putting things and seems to work from both sides.
I think the trouble is working out who is making up evidence and who has an agenda.
My problem is that control from governments and other high powers with them don't usually really care about us.
One example is our vaping and how they are bending all that to suit.
This trate seems very common and I just find myself being very skeptical of anything they do and say

But, the points in the videos you posted are not consistent with each other and so many of them are obviously wrong that I honestly could not take most of them seriously, no offence meant, but most of them were nonsense.  Where as the current scientific understanding of nature has evolved over thousands of years by thousands of people who all had and often exercised the right to challenge the existing view.  Those videos are not a reasoned argument back by observational evidence that can be checked and by anyone like The Origin of Species, they are just random unrelated points that don't stand scrutiny IMO.

[jtc]

Hard evidence can be a problem though as it can be fabricated quite easily.
FE people would argue there is no hard evidence of a globe but they have evidence it's flat

[VapingBad]

Feb 15, 2016 19:39:55 GMT jtc said:

Hard evidence can be a problem though as it can be fabricated quite easily.
FE people would argue there is no hard evidence of a globe but they have evidence it's flat

You totally misunderstand the scientific method then, it is founded on repeatable experimental proof for or against a theroy.

[jtc]

Feb 15, 2016 19:38:41 GMT VapingBad said:

Feb 15, 2016 19:25:16 GMT jtc said:

Ahahahahahaha that's one way of putting things and seems to work from both sides.
I think the trouble is working out who is making up evidence and who has an agenda.
My problem is that control from governments and other high powers with them don't usually really care about us.
One example is our vaping and how they are bending all that to suit.
This trate seems very common and I just find myself being very skeptical of anything they do and say

But, the points in the videos you posted are not consistent with each other and so many of them are obviously wrong that I honestly could not take most of them seriously, no offence meant, but most of them were nonsense.  Where as the current scientific understanding of nature has evolved over thousands of years by thousands of people who all had and often exercised the right to challenge the existing view.  Those videos are not a reasoned argument back by observational evidence that can be checked and by anyone like The Origin of Species, they are just random unrelated points that don't stand scrutiny IMO.

No offence taken sir and I respect your opinion just many disagree with it as probably more would agree with you.
I wouldn't expect a majority to agree with FE people as it goes against everything they have been brought up to believe and taught.
I'm not saying I believe it's flat but I still think they have many valid points

[minime]

Iv never been in a aeroplane can you not see the curvature of the earth from a aeroplane ?

There is a guy at work that used to be a pilot I will ask him what he thinks about this if I see him tomorrow.

[thebishman]

Jonny please watch zeitgiest documentarys on youtube. I think your like them

[jtc]

I still haven't seen a video of the earth spinning or a realistic picture of a globe though.
But I've seen pictures of hundreds of miles with no curve

[jtc]

Feb 15, 2016 19:49:41 GMT thebishman said:

Jonny please watch zeitgiest documentarys on youtube. I think your like them

I will bish I promise you that