Thoughts on ceramic cotton

[sydsut]

I posted the following in the show us your vapemail thread but think it needs a thread to itself as well as adding an update,

"Well I finally put a Ceramic Cotton build in the iPV Pure SX tank yourgurnard. This is the reason I bought it as I prefer rayon to ordinary cotton and this style of tank coil head, with a fixed resistance at 0.05ohms, isn't rayon friendly as I've never seen rayon in flat pads. As the ceramic cotton comes in flat pads it makes using it in the tank a lot easier. I can understand from the ceramic cottons feel that rolling it would be a problem as it's stiffer than other cotton. It also doesn't have a natural grain to it. Anyways I've got it on the go now and so far so good. The first thing I noticed on the Pioneer4you iPV5 at 100J, 450F and SX Pure mode, was just how clean a vape you get with no trace of harshness and the flavours coming through very well. It doesn't chuck out the clouds but the taste more than makes up for it. I'll play around with the settings to get it giving it's best. So far I'm impressed and next I will be trying it out on the AQUA FX which it should do well on too. Here's a link for those unfamiliar with SX Pure tanks."

Since the above I've raised the resistance slightly to 0.06ohms and am using it on the iPV 6X mod. I've now reduced the power to 75J and increased the temp to 470F and am now enjoying excellent flavour and loads of clouds. When I used rayon in the tank before I found it difficult to stop it weeping juice as I could never get the rayon to fit in between the prongs properly. Now it is completely leak and weep free, and as too the ceramic cotton crumbling, as it is kept flat that hasn't been a problem.
 

[yourgurnard]

I'm not familiar with either of the tanks that You mention:- good that You've found a use for the ceramic 'cotton' tho'!
I gave up trying to roll it up for wicking!
Thanks to this stuff tho', I've now got My Magma & Avocado back in rotation; using flat strips of the ceramic to feed horizontal coils/mesh wicks.
Also using it (instead of silica) on top of S/S rope wick in My GT.

[ukwarrior]

I was really interested in ceramic style coils, but after reading this I was put off of them- docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScBOPx3YguI-AnhDG-KBruO681JMzcTmwF4Dn8g118X8gL4eQ/viewform

Now, I have spoken to various people on other forums, and one persons response (A respected engineer) I found quite helpful. It seems dependant on the type of ceramic coil/wicks that is in use.

Tanks like the IPV pure, or the Altus, that have long life, do not seem to suffer from this issue. I am not familiar with ceramic cotton though, do you have a link so I could read more into this material? I am not familiar with ceramic cotton, so it may not have these issues.
As it does crumble though, I would be a bit apprehensive about using it VS standard cotton until knowing more about it. 

This isn't to be nasty in any way, I don't want you to think that, I just wouldn't want anyone to have any adverse effects in regards to ceramics and vaping.

[morbidmatty]

Have been using ceramic coils in my Joyetech Ultimo since it came out getting nearly 200ml of great flavor from each coil have not seen ceramic pads for sale any chance of a link as all I get from google are ceramic cotton holders. I thought that the Uwell link and article had already been buried as they are now looking into ceramic coils for their new tanks.

[sydsut]

Nov 30, 2016 13:15:58 GMT morbidmatty said:

Have been using ceramic coils in my Joyetech Ultimo since it came out getting nearly 200ml of great flavor from each coil have not seen ceramic pads for sale any chance of a link as all I get from google are ceramic cotton holders. I thought that the Uwell link and article had already been buried as they are now looking into ceramic coils for their new tanks.

Ceramic pads here at Fasttech morbidmatty

[morbidmatty]

Thank you sydsut.
Will add to my next order.

[sydsut]

Nov 30, 2016 12:09:22 GMT ukwarrior said:

I was really interested in ceramic style coils, but after reading this I was put off of them- docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScBOPx3YguI-AnhDG-KBruO681JMzcTmwF4Dn8g118X8gL4eQ/viewform

Now, I have spoken to various people on other forums, and one persons response (A respected engineer) I found quite helpful. It seems dependant on the type of ceramic coil/wicks that is in use.

Tanks like the IPV pure, or the Altus, that have long life, do not seem to suffer from this issue. I am not familiar with ceramic cotton though, do you have a link so I could read more into this material? I am not familiar with ceramic cotton, so it may not have these issues.
As it does crumble though, I would be a bit apprehensive about using it VS standard cotton until knowing more about it. 

This isn't to be nasty in any way, I don't want you to think that, I just wouldn't want anyone to have any adverse effects in regards to ceramics and vaping.

This article was neither the truth nor science in any way, shape or form. It appeared to me and to others that Uwell were attempting to rubbish their competitors efforts after they had received poor reviews of the Crown v2 coils, if I remember rightly. Somebody please correct this if I've misremembered.  I am quite happy to use ceramic coils and cotton in different atties and setups, and enjoy the vape I get. Clean and very tasty in a nutshell.

[yourgurnard]

Of course, wot I (still..) really want, is a regular supply of the ceramic wicks that c/w the In'Ax (clone) hybrid dripper:- they're excellent for squonking in the little 16!

[ukwarrior]

Nov 30, 2016 18:27:59 GMT sydsut said:

Nov 30, 2016 12:09:22 GMT ukwarrior said:

I was really interested in ceramic style coils, but after reading this I was put off of them- docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScBOPx3YguI-AnhDG-KBruO681JMzcTmwF4Dn8g118X8gL4eQ/viewform

Now, I have spoken to various people on other forums, and one persons response (A respected engineer) I found quite helpful. It seems dependant on the type of ceramic coil/wicks that is in use.

Tanks like the IPV pure, or the Altus, that have long life, do not seem to suffer from this issue. I am not familiar with ceramic cotton though, do you have a link so I could read more into this material? I am not familiar with ceramic cotton, so it may not have these issues.
As it does crumble though, I would be a bit apprehensive about using it VS standard cotton until knowing more about it. 

This isn't to be nasty in any way, I don't want you to think that, I just wouldn't want anyone to have any adverse effects in regards to ceramics and vaping.

This article was neither the truth nor science in any way, shape or form. It appeared to me and to others that Uwell were attempting to rubbish their competitors efforts after they had received poor reviews of the Crown v2 coils, if I remember rightly. Somebody please correct this if I've misremembered.  I am quite happy to use ceramic coils and cotton in different atties and setups, and enjoy the vape I get. Clean and very tasty in a nutshell.

If true, that is fair. I do know many people had complaints about Uwell coils in the Crown V2, so it could of well been that. I have not seen any evidence on the contrary though, so am unsure myself. 
Even the Toxicological information posted here does show it as a respiratory irritant. 

Although, I use Ti without worry, and people worry about using that as a coil material, and feel safe doing so. I use it much less than other materials, but still feel OK. I only mentioned in case it was not a known topic here. 

I was not sure if people here were aware or not, only reason I posted- no malice intended . 

[sydsut]

I work on the theory that if I was to walk from end to end down the main (non pedestrianised) shopping street in any town or city across the world, I would have breathed in much worse crap than I would ever get from any vaporiser, coil, wick or e-liquid known to man. If we were to act on every scare story in the press etc., we would eat Zero, drink Zero or participate in Zero activities. Everything has an element of risk.

[ukwarrior]

Dec 1, 2016 14:59:44 GMT sydsut said:

I work on the theory that if I was to walk from end to end down the main (non pedestrianised) shopping street in any town or city across the world, I would have breathed in much worse crap than I would ever get from any vaporiser, coil, wick or e-liquid known to man. If we were to act on every scare story in the press etc., we would eat Zero, drink Zero or participate in Zero activities. Everything has an element of risk.

That is very true what you are saying, and I, and all of us probably do breathe in a lot worse in a urban area than from vaping. 

I didn't mean any harm from my post, I don't want anyone to think that, I just see vaping as harm reduction and my thinking was the less possible harm, the better. Although as I mentioned, I do use Ti and some people are a bit funny about using that as a material, but I don't give it a second thought, so really using a ceramic coil or wick wouldn't be the worst thing. 

The SX pure does actually interest me though, and has done since its release, it is just getting hard to justify more purchases now as the collection grows. 

Would you class the SX pure as a 'Must have' tank? I do have a IPV5 in the collection that is compatible with the SX pure tanks. I am yet to try one yet though, how do you find the Temp limiting/ control with the tank? And would you say 75J is around the lowest you would want to run one of these tanks? 

I only ask as I generally vape at around half of this, but if the vape is good enough it may be worth a go