Clean windows PG/VG ratio

[VapingBad]

Jan 9, 2017 14:39:58 GMT lobeydosser said:

I have been using VG for years now as a Rubber Restorer in my old cars and without any knowledge to the contrary, I imagine that it could be absorbed into the body simply because of its vegetable basis. However PG is a different story and I would like to see some form of medical research on this chemical and its effects on the human body.

Chemically synthesised will always be safer than naturally extracted as it likely to have fewer contaminates and is why all "natural" food flavourings are chemically synthesised.   

I don't see why people are more sceptical of PG than VG other than the formaldehyde that can be created way above vaping temperatures. PG has some positive effects being anti-bacterial and a solvent (cleans while it fogs your windows maybe), VG is more viscous and sticky so would stay where it wasn't wanted for longer.  I don't think either are a cause for concern so keep using what suites you, but if anything I would expect PG to be the healthier option.

[lobeydosser]

Very interesting Postmodern Smoking especially, from my point of view, the second last two paragraphs.

Also the reference to Formaldehyde production at higher power level settings could be of some concern.

Fortunately as a non-sub-ohmer, this does not affect myself, but it is good that some researchers are looking into the effects of using PG in its vapour form.

[VapingBad]

Jan 9, 2017 17:00:38 GMT lobeydosser said:

Very interesting Postmodern Smoking especially, from my point of view, the second last two paragraphs.

Also the reference to Formaldehyde production at higher power level settings could be of some concern.

Fortunately as a non-sub-ohmer, this does not affect myself, but it is good that some researchers are looking into the effects of using PG in its vapour form.

This is very interesting it talks a lot about the mixing and the releated safety of organ extracts, natural flavourings, PG, VG, acrolein, dyacityle & formaldehyde   soundcloud.com/jeannie-kerswill/dr-kistler and the effects of temperature.  IIRC it was here that the point was made there is more chance creating formaldehyde with a VG PG mix than with just PG because of the different boiling points the presents og VG means you are subjecting the PG to higher temps, yes it is 1:36:00 approx flows from VG producing acrolein and sub-ohming. 

PG vs PG vapour production at various temps, for me another pointer to PG being less risky, but again I don't think there is a significant risk.

[DaveJ]

Jan 9, 2017 14:06:01 GMT lobeydosser said:

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I was neither being serious nor frivolous.

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So what is it and will it harms us?

My apologies then lobeydosser I had no right to treat your valid comment and concern so lightly.

Yes - there is stuff in vapor our lungs were not originally built to handle. That much is certain - after all, our lungs were only meant to take in pure fresh air. Just how badly the various compounds in E-cig vapor might hurt us is, as far as I'm aware, still subject to debate - although, as shown by some of the information linked to by others, the indications suggest PG may not be as bad for us as some have made out.

I cannot say with any authority what that answer might be. I'd agree the subject is worth more study from those properly qualified to do so.

But in the mean time - I hope/trust the folk from Public Health England got their "95% safer than smoking" right. I know I certainly feel better since swapping from smoking to vaping.

[lobeydosser]

No Need to apologise DaveJ, but thank you anyways.

Sometimes discoveries about something important starts with discussions about a problem on a completely different subject.
The smear we get on our windows just could be something that may cause us health problems in the future.

But, Vaping is clearly far far safer than Smoking and as I Smoked for 49 years, any damage I have from inhalation of foreign substances was done a long time ago and what I Vape today will probably have little effect on what is already there.

[DaveJ]

Jan 10, 2017 10:01:53 GMT lobeydosser said:

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The smear we get on our windows just could be something that may cause us health problems in the future.

Perhaps - and it'd certainly be nice to know for sure, one way or the other.

Jan 10, 2017 10:01:53 GMT lobeydosser said:

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But, Vaping is clearly far far safer than Smoking and as I Smoked for 49 years, any damage I have from inhalation of foreign substances was done a long time ago and what I Vape today will probably have little effect on what is already there.

Ah, yes. 37 years myself, but otherwise yes.

I sometimes wonder about other things and their risks to me relative to each other. I mean, how harmful are:
* the toxic fumes that comes from car exhaust pipes
* the various "VOC" I encounter in my shed
* the real hazard of the saw dust I play in
* the actual risk from the asbestos I've encountered in my time
* the risks from all the various chemicals (detergents, cleaning products, solvents and such) that hang around the house

and how do they compare to each other in their seriousness? It is my (uneducated and unqualified) opinion that vaping is likely to be far less of a hazard to my health than many of those other things I regularly encounter. Leastways, I hope so...

Having said all that, I do not plan to stop vaping anytime soon.

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And on a much lighter note - more in accord with the original post - I wonder if that VG smear on glass can be reclaimed and recycled?  *just kidding*

[manonabus]

One of the bigger risks which we encounter in our everyday lives, well most of us anyway is mobile phones and microwaves.

Even our governments were warning us about the usage years ago when they wasn't so widely used. Now almost all of us have them, including school children, and the usage hours per day with these smart phones has gone of the scales.

Has it meant the risks are worth a trade off for the Big Brother tracking and info gathering capabilities of these devices, in 20 or so years will there be a sudden increase in brain tumours, and cancers. We don't know but I do know there is sometimes hidden agendas in what some of these so called experts advise.