Clean windows PG/VG ratio

[phtumshk]

Love sweet and sticky high VG mixes.
But Im fed up up of cleaning sticky windows.
Whats the least/most amount of PG in a mix to keep everything clear, 50/50, 60/40 or 70/30.
Not so fussed about chuffin clouds anymore.
Any ideas before I start to mix up some PG/VG mixes?
TIA

[DaveJ]

I don't know for sure phtumshk , but I think it's simply a case of more VG in the air = more smear on the glass.

I don't think you'll completely stop it happening unless you were to completely stop vaping (*shudder*). Rather, I think you can only reduce the speed the smear builds.

I think two ways: either
* reduce the percentage of VG in your mix. Less VG = slower build. But I'm not even sure if 100% PG would completely remove the problem, although it'd certainly considerably reduce the speed of the buildup (even if you can stand vaping high or max PG).
* Lower your power output of your vape. Less clouds = less VG in the air = less smear build.


Or the third option I elect to use: draw the drapes and ignore it. *grin* (*)



* I am in a place where it's normally considerably warmer than where you are so we have the windows open lots. And especially in full summer (now) the air con is pumping lots of fresh air thro the place, flushing the vapor laden air out quickly. Perhaps this also helps reduce the smear buildup problem for us/me.

[Perpetua]

You could try 50/50 and see what that's like phtumshk, although it's going to happen to some degree . . . . I've resigned myself to fortnightly window cleaning sessions, until the season of open doors/windows comes round again!

[sydsut]

Jan 9, 2017 3:04:19 GMT DaveJ said:

I don't know for sure phtumshk , but I think it's simply a case of more VG in the air = more smear on the glass.

I don't think you'll completely stop it happening unless you were to completely stop vaping (*shudder*). Rather, I think you can only reduce the speed the smear builds.

I think two ways: either
* reduce the percentage of VG in your mix. Less VG = slower build. But I'm not even sure if 100% PG would completely remove the problem, although it'd certainly considerably reduce the speed of the buildup (even if you can stand vaping high or max PG).
* Lower your power output of your vape. Less clouds = less VG in the air = less smear build.


Or the third option I elect to use: draw the drapes and ignore it. *grin* (*)



* I am in a place where it's normally considerably warmer than where you are so we have the windows open lots. And especially in full summer (now) the air con is pumping lots of fresh air thro the place, flushing the vapor laden air out quickly. Perhaps this also helps reduce the smear buildup problem for us/me.

I like your thinking, very sensible.

[lobeydosser]

Jan 9, 2017 5:44:48 GMT Perpetua said:

You could try 50/50 and see what that's like phtumshk , although it's going to happen to some degree . . . . I've resigned myself to fortnightly window cleaning sessions, until the season of open doors/windows comes round again!

If PG or VG is coating our windows to the extent that these have to be cleaned every two weeks, how often should we be getting our lungs cleaned out?

[DaveJ]

Jan 9, 2017 7:02:59 GMT lobeydosser said:

If PG or VG is coating our windows to the extent that these have to be cleaned every two weeks, how often should we be getting our lungs cleaned out?

Ummm - I'd defer to Dr sydsut 's medical opinions on the matter *grin*






* And in case you were being serious, lobeydosser , whilst I cannot support my opinion with any links or references BUT it is my view that it isn't an issue. The loss of my smokers cough was enough for me and my Wife to be convinced.

[cigeliquid]

I can live with "sticky Smear" far easier to remove than the old " stinky Yellow" from tobacco
i wonder just how slippery a room will become in 20 years at 10ml per day!

[bioxx]

When it's time to clean the windows....

1 smash windows

2 ring insurance

3 blame stray kids/dogs/cats/hamsters.....

[VapingBad]

Jan 9, 2017 3:04:19 GMT DaveJ said:

I don't know for sure phtumshk , but I think it's simply a case of more VG in the air = more smear on the glass.

I don't think you'll completely stop it happening unless you were to completely stop vaping (*shudder*). Rather, I think you can only reduce the speed the smear builds.

I think two ways: either
* reduce the percentage of VG in your mix. Less VG = slower build. But I'm not even sure if 100% PG would completely remove the problem, although it'd certainly considerably reduce the speed of the buildup (even if you can stand vaping high or max PG).
* Lower your power output of your vape. Less clouds = less VG in the air = less smear build.


Or the third option I elect to use: draw the drapes and ignore it. *grin* (*)



* I am in a place where it's normally considerably warmer than where you are so we have the windows open lots. And especially in full summer (now) the air con is pumping lots of fresh air thro the place, flushing the vapor laden air out quickly. Perhaps this also helps reduce the smear buildup problem for us/me.

I vape 100% PG and don't get any window issues at all, I can't give a min ratio as I just don't like the taste of any VG in my liquid.

[Deleted]

Having used most ratios of PG and VG in my time at various power and air flow settings I reckon that higher power dtl vaping is the prime culprit and the PG/VG ratio plays a secondary role.

[phtumshk]

Thanks for the input all.
I tried a 60/40 mix last night and wasnt confronted by the Mrs' usual triade of abuse about how foggy it was, bounus.
Maybe that should be my yardstick of measurement, reduce the PG till the moaning starts and thats my minimum PG level lol.
Thanks again.

[lobeydosser]

Jan 9, 2017 8:08:20 GMT DaveJ said:

Jan 9, 2017 7:02:59 GMT lobeydosser said:

If PG or VG is coating our windows to the extent that these have to be cleaned every two weeks, how often should we be getting our lungs cleaned out?

* And in case you were being serious, lobeydosser , whilst I cannot support my opinion with any links or references BUT it is my view that it isn't an issue. The loss of my smokers cough was enough for me and my Wife to be convinced.

I was neither being serious nor frivolous.

Right from year one I noticed that my windows were getting a coating of something and whilst many on here were saying that the exhale from e-cigs was harmless water vapour, clearly this is not strictly true and the smear on the windows proves this.

However with a lack of knowledge as to exactly what is causing the smearing, I have kept quiet up until now.

I vape at a very low wattage, so any contamination in the house is kept to a minimum.

But clearly there is some contamination from e-cigs, no matter how minimal, and it is an area where some research should be undertaken because if this contamination is appearing in our houses, then it must be considerably more in our lungs.

So what is it and will it harms us?

[Postmodern Smoking]

Jan 9, 2017 14:06:01 GMT lobeydosser said:

Jan 9, 2017 8:08:20 GMT DaveJ said:

* And in case you were being serious, lobeydosser , whilst I cannot support my opinion with any links or references BUT it is my view that it isn't an issue. The loss of my smokers cough was enough for me and my Wife to be convinced.

I was neither being serious nor frivolous.

Right from year one I noticed that my windows were getting a coating of something and whilst many on here were saying that the exhale from e-cigs was harmless water vapour, clearly this is not strictly true and the smear on the windows proves this.

However with a lack of knowledge as to exactly what is causing the smearing, I have kept quiet up until now.

I vape at a very low wattage, so any contamination in the house is kept to a minimum.

But clearly there is some contamination from e-cigs, no matter how minimal, and it is an area where some research should be undertaken because if this contamination is appearing in our houses, then it must be considerably more in our lungs.

So what is it and will it harms us?

I'd presume that we exhale some e-liquid vapour. Which will condense on surfaces such as windows. The greatest component of this will be moisture and the dilutents that we use, namely VG & PG. (Try spraying VG on a window and it will leave a residue!!). I would imagine that VG and PG get absorbed through our lungs into the blood stream rather than building up a layer in the case of a non-porous window. 

[lobeydosser]

I have been using VG for years now as a Rubber Restorer in my old cars and without any knowledge to the contrary, I imagine that it could be absorbed into the body simply because of its vegetable basis. However PG is a different story and I would like to see some form of medical research on this chemical and its effects on the human body.

I do not doubt for one minute that Vaping is considerably healthier than Smoking, which is why I choose to Vape, but as the subject of contamination has come up, and clearly e-cig vapour is causing some contamination within our homes, there does seem to be a lacking of knowledge about this subject other than guesswork and speculation.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Jan 9, 2017 14:39:58 GMT lobeydosser said:

I have been using VG for years now as a Rubber Restorer in my old cars and without any knowledge to the contrary, I imagine that it could be absorbed into the body simply because of its vegetable basis. However PG is a different story and I would like to see some form of medical research on this chemical and its effects on the human body.

I do not doubt for one minute that Vaping is considerably healthier than Smoking, which is why I choose to Vape, but as the subject of contamination has come up, and clearly e-cig vapour is causing some contamination within our homes, there does seem to be a lacking of knowledge about this subject other than guesswork and speculation.

Some info on PG vapour toxicity, and some of the studies: HERE