Clarification of my jumbled posts.

[Phoenix .]

Just to try to explain what I have since learned and what I need to do with my stuff.

1) Buy some Nicotine at the desired strength
2) Add the flavouring of my choice ( I have 10 bottles)
3) Add the PG/VG

Then need to try to calculate the correct % or drops of each ingredient to get a good vapable juice.
Thats the idea anyway.

The thing is the flavourings have no strength% on the bottles, I see this as a problem, but the supplier has said it will be 20% of the required recipe.?

Hope this makes things clearer for those trying to help me.

[maccafan]

Yes, that's the amount of flavouring you need to add to get good flavour..What he is saying is if you have 10 drops of juice add 2 drops of flavouring. Flavourings are concentrates with water or alcohol and sometimes PG based. So I do not to worry about their strength.

But before mixing, it is important to have a target ie., what you want to end up with..For the target you need to define three things:

1. What strength e-juice do you want to end up with? So ask yourself if you want to end up with 8 mg, 10 mg, 12 mg and so on.

2. What PG?VG mix do you want?

3. What flavour do you want.

Once you have the answer to the above 3 then you need to ask yourself:

1. What nicotine base have I got and is it PG or VG based?

Once you have answer to above you can use a e-juice calculator and work out the following.

2. How much do I have to dilute the base to achieve the nicotine strength I want to end up with?

3. How much of the dilutant should be PG or VG and flavouring.

Once you find the answer to these you just mix and try..

[yakousei]

DO-NOTE :
Even if the vendor says it's 20% flavor, that might be false information...
1. Just with different flavors the % varies (menthol/eucalyptus/citrus it's only 1-2 drops/ml to get the flavor.. Use much more and you'll block all the other flavors in it)
2. I know flavors that vary from 1%-50%.. Even the same juice in hand of others it may vary (taste is subjective).

I'll give hint's on how I've done it:
1. Do the base mix (read Macc's comment^)
2. Use 5% mix of flavor
-> Mix the bottle a bit
-> smell the product (can you smell the flavor clearly?
Yes<-- | --> No
Y : try it out
N : put 5% more
Rinse&Repeat until you got desired effect and the smell.

I never have done liquids with just single flavor in them, so I tend to do it with a hint of luck and some basic knowledge. That way I keep it fun, yet I know what I'm doing..

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

You could use one of the many available mixing calculators that are available online. One is Cloud9
www.c9v-forum.com/Resources/Calc/calc.htm

[Phoenix .]

Thanks for those replies. Any of you any advice on which nicotine to buy, do i buy a high strength because I will be reducing it with flavouring and VG/PG?
I have never bought nic before and there are sooo many out there, any suggestions on this and who to buy from please?

[maccafan]

UK source:You can buy the 54mg PG or VG base depending on your preference and 18ml is £4.69 + £0.90 P&P

www.cig-eliquid.co.uk/

Alba vapours also do 54 mg strength e-juice in PG and VG.They are £10.00 + P&P for 30 ml.

alba-vapours.co.uk/mixing-diy-flavours

I would be very careful and cautious when handling 54 mg strength nicotine.

Or you can buy a starter mixing from paradise vape to dabble. Gives you everything you need to dabble, including two concentrated flavours. Comes with 20ml of 30 mg nic base.

paradisevapeuk.vstore.ca/product_info.php/pName/diy-mixing-kit/cName/diy-accessories

[Batdragon (AKA Batty)]

Thanks macca, I have been looking at where I can get the high strength stuff from, and if you are saying that those places are ok then I might go with them.

[Phoenix .]

Thanks Macca

Checked out cig e-liquids they do 52mg and great chart on mixing by drops not % which helps dummies like me.
It does not mention anything about adding VG/PG( I see they do nico with either VG added or PG but not both, this will affect the finished mg wont it?
I am aiming for 12mg complete.
I have e mailed them and await their comments before ordering anything.

[Roger]

May 11, 2012 13:24:47 GMT Phoenix . said:

Thanks Macca

Checked out cig e-liquids they do 52mg and great chart on mixing by drops not % which helps dummies like me.
It does not mention anything about adding VG/PG( I see they do nico with either VG added or PG but not both, this will affect the finished mg wont it?
I am aiming for 12mg complete.
I have e mailed them and await their comments before ordering anything.

Cig e's nic come in either PG base or VG base. If you use a decent calculator, it will ask what your base is, what amount and end mg you want and what PG/VG and flavour percentages you would like. It should then tell you what %/drops to use of each ingredient to end up with your required mix.

The eJuice me up calc is good one and free, get it from here:

www.ejuice.breaktru.com/

[Roger]

Also Phoenix, if you haven't already read it, have a look a Grizwalds guide to all things mixing on here, heavy going, but invaluable.

allaboute-cigarettes.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mixology&thread=2230&page=1#82481

[kingofswords]

www.nicvape.com/ has best reputation
www.vipvaporcig.com/diy-supplies/flavorless-nicotine-liquid.html starts at £3.91 for 60ml 36mg cheapest out there

i think its like learning to cook...you can faff around (over complicating) measuring things out perfectly and still make s'thing thats just about edible or you can just dive in the deep end and get a feel for what you like.

personally i just make up a couple of bottles of 20mg base ...then when i can be bothered(norm when run out) i take the plunger out of a syringe and put thumb on bottom of it and pour in 4mls base into a bottle then 1ml flav....leave on radiator then fill carto

[maccafan]

May 11, 2012 13:24:47 GMT Phoenix . said:

It does not mention anything about adding VG/PG( I see they do nico with either VG added or PG but not both, this will affect the finished mg wont it?
I am aiming for 12mg complete..

The amount and type of dilutant (PG or VG or to a limited extent flavouring) you add is your preference to obtain the PG/VG ratio that you want. See point 2 of my post earlier today.

It might be good for you to use the many calculators that the other's linked to.

For example if you use 3 drops of 52 mg PG nic base and add 8 drops of plain PG and 2 drops of flavouring, you'll end up with 13 drops of 12mg strength 100 % PG with approx 15% flavouring.

So you are adding 10 drops of dilutant to every 3 drops of the base.

If you use the same 3 drops of 52 mg PG nic base and add 4 drops of plain PG, 4 drops of plain VG and 2 drops of flavouring you will end up with 13 drops of 12 mg strength 70% PG & 30% VG with the same 15% flavouring.

So here we added the same 10 drops again but used some VG instead of PG in earlier example.

So the rule for you to go from 52mg nic base to 12 mg finished product is to add 10 drops of dilutant to every 3 drops of the nic base. Those ten drops can be either PG, VG or flavouring depending on what PG/VG ratio you want and how much flavouring you want.

It is important that the drops are all approximately the same size

I tend to use pipettes and syringes and ml for calculations but the underlying rule is the same. For example to reduce from 52mg to 12 mg I have to use 10ml dilutant for every 3 ml of nic base.

Hope that is clearer. Make a small quantity to start off with and you'll soon get the hang of it.

[Roger]

I still think using a calc to start with is a good idea, you are less likely to cock up and end up with a mix that could be too strong (in nic) After a while when you get the hang of it it's easier to do it as you do (I tend to do it that way as well). Phoenix was sounding a little confuzzled though, which is why I suggested the calc.

Grizwalds guide is a damn good read anyway.

Sorry was replying to Kingofswords, forgot to quote

[maccafan]

That cloud 9 calculator does not do PG/VG ratio does it unless I am missing something obvious. I 've seen several like that which confuses the hell out of people.

Never tried the breaktru one cause that needs installing.

[Roger]

May 11, 2012 17:15:45 GMT maccafan said:

That cloud 9 calculator does not do PG/VG ratio does it unless I am missing something obvious. I 've seen several like that which confuses the hell out of people.

Never tried the breaktru one cause that needs installing.

The C9 one is not good.

Online ones I have tried that do:

e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe.php

www.tji-java-ide.com/e-cigarette/index.php?option=com_wrapper&view=wrapper&Itemid=88

www.ecigvape.com/