Help! Tobacco liquid and beginner kit.

[Perpetua]

Jan 20, 2018 19:12:09 GMT Jerri said:

Exactly. He’s always been a stubborn idiot. In the hospital before he saw the oncologist I said to him ‘would you consider vaping’ he point blank said no. The oncologist had a moan at him so he seemingly just went along with her when he knew full well he had no intention of even trying.

It’s annoying but you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

Indeed!

[DaveJ]

Jan 20, 2018 19:12:09 GMT Jerri said:

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It’s annoying but you can’t help someone who doesn’t want to be helped.

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Just as Perpetua said above... Indeed.

They are the ones who have to put in the "hard yards". If they are not prepared or ready for that, then there is little point.

One can only hope, in time, they might "come around" to where your help will be useful, welcome and worth it.

[striker42]

Jan 20, 2018 16:49:24 GMT Jerri said:

Well. Went to the local vape shop today. He’s decided he’d like to ‘think about it’ which is my uncle speak for ‘I don’t want to quit smoking stop harassing me’

So I shall let him get on with it. If lung cancer isn’t enough of a kick up the backside then nothing ever will be.

Thanks everyone.

Sorry to hear your uncle has been diagnosed with lung cancer Jerri . We lost my Dad to cancer on 27th May 2015 and having followed your thread, it mirrors what happened here with us. Although my Dad did stop smoking ................................ the day after he was diagnosed. He still had a packet of fags in the house with five left in it, about three weeks after his diagnosis, he lifted the packet, crushed it, put it in the bin, looked me square in the eye and his words were" about 50 years too late with that". He did have a half hearted attempt at vaping when I switched over after I had a heart attack due to 30 years on the stinkies, but it was exactly that, half hearted. I never looked for, nor wanted sympathy when that happened to me then, nor do I need sympathy now. What I did need then was help to get through the tough time after it. I got that help from family and friends, but the biggest help of all were the people here on this forum. The start of my vaping journey wasn't exactly trouble free, but the Help and encouragement I got here was priceless. I hope the penny drops with your uncle Jerri and takes you up on the offer of helping him get off the fags, as I can tell you, there are a couple of things probably going around in his head he won't admit to. One being, he was probably of the mindset that this type of thing only happens to other people,the "it'll never happen to me" syndrome and yes, I'll hold my hands up to that one too. But here is probably the biggest one and it is still the thing about it all that I have trouble with. I can live with what happened to me, what I do have trouble coming to terms with is what I put my family through watching it all. Something my father also admitted 3/4 months after his diagnosis. 
Good luck going forward with this Jerri , whether it's stubbornness, too set in his ways or dare I say, selfishness that is causing his present stance on switching to vaping. He's completely missed the point that someone cares so much for him.

[rezello]

You could try getting him a set up and setting it up, leave it at his and he may just pick it up and give it a try one day. Sounds half arsed but may be worth a try ....with no one around to 'hassle' him, he might just sway towards it in his own time....just a thought. 

[watsy]

Reading between the lines, I hope. What you have to consider firstly is Age, Funny as it sounds the general vaper is young to middle aged, most blow in a sense Clouds, which to him as it was to people who I visited in a study group that introduced "vaping" to people with stage 4 cancer. They saw vapers as "Cloud Chasers", or "It's a new thing youngster's do"
So this is the first thing you have to convince him about, that it could in fact prolong is life span, without blowing high VG cloud mixes.(That's if he wants to do this, because that's what vaping could do for him)
Another alternative is "Snus" Google it and make a comparison. It may work for him.

[Jerri]

Jan 21, 2018 11:43:35 GMT striker42 said:

Jan 20, 2018 16:49:24 GMT Jerri said:

Well. Went to the local vape shop today. He’s decided he’d like to ‘think about it’ which is my uncle speak for ‘I don’t want to quit smoking stop harassing me’

So I shall let him get on with it. If lung cancer isn’t enough of a kick up the backside then nothing ever will be.

Thanks everyone.

Sorry to hear your uncle has been diagnosed with lung cancer Jerri . We lost my Dad to cancer on 27th May 2015 and having followed your thread, it mirrors what happened here with us. Although my Dad did stop smoking ................................ the day after he was diagnosed. He still had a packet of fags in the house with five left in it, about three weeks after his diagnosis, he lifted the packet, crushed it, put it in the bin, looked me square in the eye and his words were" about 50 years too late with that". He did have a half hearted attempt at vaping when I switched over after I had a heart attack due to 30 years on the stinkies, but it was exactly that, half hearted. I never looked for, nor wanted sympathy when that happened to me then, nor do I need sympathy now. What I did need then was help to get through the tough time after it. I got that help from family and friends, but the biggest help of all were the people here on this forum. The start of my vaping journey wasn't exactly trouble free, but the Help and encouragement I got here was priceless. I hope the penny drops with your uncle Jerri and takes you up on the offer of helping him get off the fags, as I can tell you, there are a couple of things probably going around in his head he won't admit to. One being, he was probably of the mindset that this type of thing only happens to other people,the "it'll never happen to me" syndrome and yes, I'll hold my hands up to that one too. But here is probably the biggest one and it is still the thing about it all that I have trouble with. I can live with what happened to me, what I do have trouble coming to terms with is what I put my family through watching it all. Something my father also admitted 3/4 months after his diagnosis. 
Good luck going forward with this Jerri , whether it's stubbornness, too set in his ways or dare I say, selfishness that is causing his present stance on switching to vaping. He's completely missed the point that someone cares so much for him.

To be honest. I don’t think it will. My mum had 7 brothers and sisters and he is the baby. He’s always been babied and despite being almost 70 years of age he hasn’t got a clue hot to be an adult.

I honestly think he is under the impression that like with everything else in his life, someone else will sort it for him. If he quits smoking he’d actually have to be the one doing the work. Nobody could do it for him. And I honestly think that’s why he’s not interested.

My mum died of cancer December the 1st 2012. He lost his sister in law to cancer last year, both his brothers had prostrate cancer. So it’s not as though he’s not seen the effect cancer has on not just the patient but everyone that cares about them.

He’s just waiting for someone to step in and fix it all for him. And sadly for him when he realises that can’t and isn’t going to happen, it may be too late.

[Jerri]

Jan 21, 2018 15:22:27 GMT rezello said:

You could try getting him a set up and setting it up, leave it at his and he may just pick it up and give it a try one day. Sounds half arsed but may be worth a try ....with no one around to 'hassle' him, he might just sway towards it in his own time....just a thought. 

I’ve actually kept some of my vape gear so there is a set up there ready to go. But I won’t hold my breath.

[Jerri]

Jan 22, 2018 0:06:47 GMT watsy said:

Reading between the lines, I hope. What you have to consider firstly is Age, Funny as it sounds the general vaper is young to middle aged, most blow in a sense Clouds, which to him as it was to people who I visited in a study group that introduced "vaping" to people with stage 4 cancer. They saw vapers as "Cloud Chasers", or "It's a new thing youngster's do"
So this is the first thing you have to convince him about, that it could in fact prolong is life span, without blowing high VG cloud mixes.(That's if he wants to do this, because that's what vaping could do for him)
Another alternative is "Snus" Google it and make a comparison. It may work for him.

He lived with me for 4 years whilst I vaped. So he knows full well that it isn’t all big clouds and youngsters (haha sorry reading that back it sounds a bit aggressive, obviously I don’t mean it like that).

He saw me go from ego pens to sub Ohms but most of my vaping life was spent using a pro tank two and a 20w iStick.

If you read my post above it may shed a bit more light on why I’ve given up so easily.

[rezello]

Jan 24, 2018 1:57:09 GMT Jerri said:

Jan 21, 2018 15:22:27 GMT rezello said:

You could try getting him a set up and setting it up, leave it at his and he may just pick it up and give it a try one day. Sounds half arsed but may be worth a try ....with no one around to 'hassle' him, he might just sway towards it in his own time....just a thought. 

I’ve actually kept some of my vape gear so there is a set up there ready to go. But I won’t hold my breath.

Fair enough, worth a try ....back to the drawing board it is ....