Confused about wires

[Get Off My Cloud]

Aug 3, 2018 14:08:50 GMT doveman said:

Aug 3, 2018 12:23:33 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

The Pico squeeze is an unregulated mod. Unregulated mod is one where the power output is not adjustable but it still has electronics in which provide safety features.A mechanical mod is one where the power output is not adjustable and it has no electronic safety features.

Are you sure 'cos FT list it as a mechanical mod? www.fasttech.com/products/5517604

Yeah i'm sure the Pico is electronically limited to 50W output.

You can't adjust the wattage or voltage output but the electronics does limit the maximum output for safety purposes.

[doveman]

Aug 3, 2018 15:22:23 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Yeah i'm sure the Pico is electronically limited to 50W output. You can't adjust the wattage or voltage output but the electronics does limit the maximum output for safety purposes.

Thanks, that's cool then, I'll probably buy both.

[doveman]

What are the official specs for the Samsung 25R batteries, as FT has some listed as Authentic with 22A continuous discharge and others that don't say Authentic with 20A continuous discharge but other sources seem to say the real ones are 20A?

Any thoughts on these Samsung 30Q 3000mAh? It say 20A Continuous but other sources suggest it's more like 15A.
www.fasttech.com/products/6691701

Or how about these Sanyo NCR18650GA 3500mAh 10A?
www.fasttech.com/products/2399300

How do I calculate how many amps I'll be needing. Using this calculator should I just put in the resistance of the coil (0.35ohm) and the voltage of the battery (3.6v) which gives 10.28571A and 37.02857W?
www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms-law-calculator

[joeten]

Look up mooch on YouTube he will have some info on tests he has run.

[marksixysix]

Mooch rated the 30Q as being 20A. It's all I use for my 18650 needs and I used to buy from FT and had no problems but these days I order from Fogstar as there is very little in price and you get them sooner and will defo be genuine Samsung batteries Fogstar

They do 15% every Friday if you subscribe to the emails although I think the code "Plantofthevapes" gives 15% and can be used whenever

[beedee]

Aug 3, 2018 14:08:50 GMT doveman said:

Aug 3, 2018 12:23:33 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

The Pico squeeze is an unregulated mod. Unregulated mod is one where the power output is not adjustable but it still has electronics in which provide safety features.A mechanical mod is one where the power output is not adjustable and it has no electronic safety features.

Are you sure 'cos FT list it as a mechanical mod? www.fasttech.com/products/5517604Hi doveman - FT are a bit prone to getting this (and some other things!) mixed up in their descriptions. The Pico is regulated by a microchip in terms of battery protections and asn off/on light, but the chip does not allow for manual adjustment of the wattage, voltage or temperature.  

doveman - FT are a bit prone to getting this (and some other things!) mixed up in their descriptions. The Pico is regulated by a microchip that sits between the fire button and the battery, controlling battery protections, maximum wattage, and an off/on light.  Unlike fully regulated mods, the chip does not allow for manual adjustment of the wattage, voltage or temperature.

Mechanical refers to something that has no chip between the fire button and battery - hence the name!

Took me ages to work all this out... at first it was like trying to understand a foreign language. 

[doveman]

Aug 17, 2018 9:15:51 GMT beedee said:

doveman - FT are a bit prone to getting this (and some other things!) mixed up in their descriptions. The Pico is regulated by a microchip that sits between the fire button and the battery, controlling battery protections, maximum wattage, and an off/on light.  Unlike fully regulated mods, the chip does not allow for manual adjustment of the wattage, voltage or temperature.

Mechanical refers to something that has no chip between the fire button and battery - hence the name!

Took me ages to work all this out... at first it was like trying to understand a foreign language. 

Thanks beedee , I'm sure the advice I've received here will enable me to see when FT is talking nonsense soon enough

[doveman]

Aug 4, 2018 16:33:43 GMT marksixysix said:

Mooch rated the 30Q as being 20A. It's all I use for my 18650 needs and I used to buy from FT and had no problems but these days I order from Fogstar as there is very little in price and you get them sooner and will defo be genuine Samsung batteries Fogstar

They do 15% every Friday if you subscribe to the emails although I think the code "Plantofthevapes" gives 15% and can be used whenever

I bought a couple of batteries from Fogstar but they don't work in my regulated mod (I haven't received the Squonks yet)

As you can see from this photo, with the Efest batteries I already have (and all my other non-Efest 18650s) the circular metal pad is larger than the ones on the Fogstar batteries and as a result the latter doesn't make contact with the terminal on my mod. Only when the battery is half sticking out does it connect and I obviously can't use it like that. The plastic box the batteries came in also arrived damaged as shown.

[beedee]

Aug 17, 2018 12:52:22 GMT doveman said:

Aug 17, 2018 9:15:51 GMT beedee said:

doveman - FT are a bit prone to getting this (and some other things!) mixed up in their descriptions. The Pico is regulated by a microchip that sits between the fire button and the battery, controlling battery protections, maximum wattage, and an off/on light.  Unlike fully regulated mods, the chip does not allow for manual adjustment of the wattage, voltage or temperature.

Mechanical refers to something that has no chip between the fire button and battery - hence the name!

Took me ages to work all this out... at first it was like trying to understand a foreign language. 

Thanks beedee , I'm sure the advice I've received here will enable me to see when FT is talking nonsense soon enough

My biggest irritation with FT is they are sometimes unclear whether RDAs have squonking pins with them or not - and photographs showing a pin when the list of contents does not - on the whole though, FT are my favourite supplier - they do often put these mistakes right when they are pointed out - you just have to be a bit wary of some items and read the discussions to get the low down on them.



 

[marksixysix]

Aug 17, 2018 13:01:06 GMT doveman said:

Aug 4, 2018 16:33:43 GMT marksixysix said:

Mooch rated the 30Q as being 20A. It's all I use for my 18650 needs and I used to buy from FT and had no problems but these days I order from Fogstar as there is very little in price and you get them sooner and will defo be genuine Samsung batteries Fogstar

They do 15% every Friday if you subscribe to the emails although I think the code "Plantofthevapes" gives 15% and can be used whenever

I bought a couple of batteries from Fogstar but they don't work in my regulated mod (I haven't received the Squonks yet)

As you can see from this photo, with the Efest batteries I already have (and all my other non-Efest 18650s) the circular metal pad is larger than the ones on the Fogstar batteries and as a result the latter doesn't make contact with the terminal on my mod. Only when the battery is half sticking out does it connect and I obviously can't use it like that. The plastic box the batteries came in also arrived damaged as shown.

The positive post being slightly smaller should make no difference as the battery will be centered so it should still make contact.

If your other batteries are protected, then they will be ever so slightly longer than an unprotected battery but both should still work.

Putting an flat top 18650 in a mod designed for a nipple top 18650 mod could cause issues though.

Not good that the case has been damaged and maybe the positive pin has been squashed down a little and causing it not to make contact properly in the mod.

What batteries did you get? Looks like a Samsung 25R or Sony?? Also what mod are you using them on??

I have never had a problem with fogstar like many others they are a trusted supplier, so maybe send them an email about the damage and see if they can help you out

Also, looks battered for an new battery, top wrap cracks and discoloration of the wrap itself.

[doveman]

Aug 19, 2018 14:40:24 GMT marksixysix said:

The positive post being slightly smaller should make no difference as the battery will be centered so it should still make contact.

If your other batteries are protected, then they will be ever so slightly longer than an unprotected battery but both should still work.

Putting an flat top 18650 in a mod designed for a nipple top 18650 mod could cause issues though.

Not good that the case has been damaged and maybe the positive pin has been squashed down a little and causing it not to make contact properly in the mod.

What batteries did you get? Looks like a Samsung 25R or Sony?? Also what mod are you using them on??

I have never had a problem with fogstar like many others they are a trusted supplier, so maybe send them an email about the damage and see if they can help you out

Also, looks battered for an new battery, top wrap cracks and discoloration of the wrap itself.

I bought these Samsung 30Q batteries with custom wraps www.fogstar.co.uk/collections/batteries/products/samsung-30q-br-3000mah-19a


As you can see from the attached photos they seem slightly longer than the Efest (which are not protected as far as I'm aware but I don't really know), maybe just by 1mm and maybe it's just the wrap that's thicker, as the second photo seems to show that the actual pin sits lower than on the Efest. I'm not sure I want to try prising it up in case I break it! It looks like the height of the pin is determined by the length of the three legs, so I don't know that it could be prised up any higher anyway.

[marksixysix]

Ah ok they are wrapped so not battered

Some batteries have a body length slightly shorter, but the positive post is raised a little so the overall length is the same more or less.
The 30Q has a flush + pin but as you say, a slightly taller body so there should be no reason why it would not make contact normally.

Pins on the mod been slightly bent in over time just enough to not hold the 30Q snug?
Also, how much of the wrap covers the negative on the battery, because that could be an issue if it overlaps too much depending on how big the contacts are on the mod.

Here is a brand new 30Q up against an LG HG battery which is a touch taller and bigger positive contact but both work in all the mods I have tried them in.





And here again with 20700 batteries. Sanyo is shorter with a taller positive post so the length of the two is the same. Both have different sized positive contact plates, but again, both work in all the mods I use them for.





It is either the batteries or the mod you are trying to use them in, so try the new batteries in a different mod if you can first and see if they work.
Then check if the contacts on the mod have been pressed down by use of the previous Efest battery, and see if you can pull them out a bit to get a tight fit for the new Samsungs.

[doveman]

Just to update, I've got my squonk mods now and the two Fogstar batteries both work fine in those, so it must be that my older mod has had the contacts stretched out by the other batteries as you thought. I probably won't try and fix them though as I've got 3-4 batteries that work in that and I'll just use the Fogstar ones for my squonk mods for now.

I'm not sure I'll stick with squonking though. I only really bought them to try vaping pure PG & CBD juice, as I was advised that wouldn't work too well in a normal tank but pure VG is a bit harsh for my throat, the tanks are prone to leaking, which I hate and CBD doesn't seem to do much for me anyway, whether vaped or taken as a tincture in doses as high as 200mg twice a day (which costs about £7.20/day even buying CBD isolate in bulk!)

[charliehorse]

Sept 5, 2018 13:37:42 GMT doveman said:

Just to update, I've got my squonk mods now and the two Fogstar batteries both work fine in those, so it must be that my older mod has had the contacts stretched out by the other batteries as you thought. I probably won't try and fix them though as I've got 3-4 batteries that work in that and I'll just use the Fogstar ones for my squonk mods for now.

I'm not sure I'll stick with squonking though. I only really bought them to try vaping pure PG & CBD juice, as I was advised that wouldn't work too well in a normal tank but pure VG is a bit harsh for my throat, the tanks are prone to leaking, which I hate and CBD doesn't seem to do much for me anyway, whether vaped or taken as a tincture in doses as high as 200mg twice a day (which costs about £7.20/day even buying CBD isolate in bulk!)

Pure PG will be a throat ripper though you say pure VG later on ??

VG should be a lot smoother.

As for the CBD not having any effect - there are a couple of CBD threads about on here and I'm sure on of them mentions a conflict with the effect of CBD being reduced or negligent depending on other medications being taking. Something about the medication and the CBD acting on the same receptors.

I think there was also something about the kind of CBD extract varying for different applications.

Was it your squonk tanks that were leaking ?? cause I squonk a fair bit and have never had a leaking issue.

What tank was it, bet there is someone on here that can help.

[doveman]

Sept 5, 2018 20:30:33 GMT charliehorse said:

Pure PG will be a throat ripper though you say pure VG later on ??

VG should be a lot smoother.

As for the CBD not having any effect - there are a couple of CBD threads about on here and I'm sure on of them mentions a conflict with the effect of CBD being reduced or negligent depending on other medications being taking. Something about the medication and the CBD acting on the same receptors.

I think there was also something about the kind of CBD extract varying for different applications.

Was it your squonk tanks that were leaking ?? cause I squonk a fair bit and have never had a leaking issue.

What tank was it, bet there is someone on here that can help.

Oops sorry for that typo, yeah it's pure PG. Apparently the CBD only properly dissolves in PG and if you mix up a 50mg/ml solution and then mix it down with VG it gets diluted to something like 30mg/ml (depending on the mix of course), so to have the strongest CBD mix it was suggested that I try squonking the pure PG/CBD mix.

I'll look for the CBD threads on here. I was taking tramadol and pregabalin about two months ago and did experience some pleasurable effects from the CBD occasionally then but I wanted to come off them as they were too sedating, so I stopped the pregabalin about two months ago and the tramadol about a month ago. All I take now is an antihistamine at night and sometimes co-codamol in the day. So I don't think I'm taking anything that would prevent the CBD working. It's a 99% CBD isolate so I'm not sure there's anything better available, although some people say that added terpenes help but that's further cost so I'm going to try and get a consultant to prescribe me some cannabis-based medications to see if CBD together with a bit of THC works for me.

The squonk tank I have is the Wasp Nano RDA (I bought the RDTA as well for my normal mod but I don't think I'll use that). It's quite hard to squeeze just enough juice into the tank without flooding it but I look for some liquid around the wick to know that some has reached it (dry hits are nasty!). I think it's almost inevitable it will leak as there's nothing to stop the liquid running out of the air holes on the side or the top hole if the mod is laid down flat or tilts in a pocket and it's impractical to avoid that. The plastic top is also not secured to the base so has a tendency to come off when taking the mod out of my pocket, which allows the liquid to escape.