Well what do we think to this?

[Perpetua]

To an extent I'm in agreement with you buggritt . . . . however, what happens over the pond, has a habit of not staying there. And whilst I like to think our governing bodies/regulation makers have more sense than to follow Trump, in any of the retrograde steps he is managing to take. News ( however false ) travels around the internet. For those of us better informed we can shrug off this idiocy, not everyone does regrettably.

It's concerned a number of UK Vendor's sufficiently, whose Newsletters I subscribe to, to issue factual statements - allaying any suspicions or doubts the uninformed may have concerning the products reputable companies sell. Who can blame them, their livelihoods are at stake.

[jtc]

I agree Perpetua, and I'm praying they don't next stop some of the amazing concentrate companies from supplying 😢

[Perpetua]

Sept 19, 2019 14:11:10 GMT jtc said:

I agree Perpetua , and I'm praying they don't next stop some of the amazing concentrate companies from supplying 😢

I'd think that would be difficult to do jtc . . . . unless Trump wants to ban home baking as well!

Some of the US vaping companies are certainly concerned about their future, I had a newletter yesterday from one that I bought from back in the days before Fasttech and our own UK market became established. They're giving 60% discount off all hardware to clear it, aren't sure if they'll continue supplying eliquid or even continue in business because of these draconian measures.

Which is a huge unnecessary situation to find themselves in.

[striker42]

So, it's not happening here, it's not our problem...........really ! ! ! Excellent representation and explanation from the CEO at Mr Eliquid,yes they do export to the UK. Under the flavour ban 89% of their products will be no more.

[gill2009]

  I thought that was excellent explaining...thanks for that striker42

[buggritt]

No, it's not our problem. More to the point, there;s nothing we can do about it.

[striker42]

Sept 19, 2019 20:39:06 GMT buggritt said:

No, it's not our problem. More to the point, there;s nothing we can do about it.

Definitely not a problem if you stick your head in the sand....................and keep it there

[EsJay]

www.cbsnews.com/video/public-health-expert-worries-e-cigarette-panic-is-ruining-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d86c157bf0aaa0001984c98&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitterThis is worth a watch. Shown on prime time tv in the USA.

Common sense and actual facts fighting back

www.cbsnews.com/video/public-health-expert-worries-e-cigarette-panic-is-ruining-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d86c157bf0aaa0001984c98&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

[GunJack]

Sept 22, 2019 1:09:26 GMT EsJay said:

www.cbsnews.com/video/public-health-expert-worries-e-cigarette-panic-is-ruining-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d86c157bf0aaa0001984c98&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitterThis is worth a watch. Shown on prime time tv in the USA.

Common sense and actual facts fighting back

www.cbsnews.com/video/public-health-expert-worries-e-cigarette-panic-is-ruining-single-biggest-public-health-opportunity-in-120-years/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0g&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d86c157bf0aaa0001984c98&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter

Very good interview from a Yank, but did anyone else notice the dismissive look on the interviewer's face through most of that? With attitudes like that in the yank media, the poor s0ds over there have got a massive fight on their hands...good luck to them

[stu1873]

Sept 19, 2019 11:44:02 GMT buggritt said:

Unless you're moving there, it's not our problem. And - not really any of our business. Trump, like Boris, is an instictive individual and far from a genius on fact or detail. It's up to the American voters to sort it out.

Do you really think that we will not follow suit shortly as to what the US, India, Thailand and the likes are doing at the moment. The more countries go down the route of them it will only be a matter of time before it takes affect over here IMHO.

Australia are starting to ramp up there anti vaping agenda which will see them take the same route shortly.

The EU have already tried to shackle us getting nic in recent years and tbh the only way I see this going is more and more restrictions.

It won't stop me vaping. I have had zero health issues with it in the 6+ years I have been using ecigs. I will just be keeping a vigilant eye on the situation from now on as I may have to stock up. I have enough mods and tanks to last a lifetime but they will be no good if I can't vape juices that I like.

[buggritt]

Sept 23, 2019 9:55:22 GMT stu1873 said:

Sept 19, 2019 11:44:02 GMT buggritt said:

Unless you're moving there, it's not our problem. And - not really any of our business. Trump, like Boris, is an instictive individual and far from a genius on fact or detail. It's up to the American voters to sort it out.

Do you really think that we will not follow suit shortly as to what the US, India, Thailand and the likes are doing at the moment.

No I don't think we will. We can't buy nicotine or salts in the strengths they have in the USA, is it just bans that are copied?

Just as we don't have a massive gun culture, worship elephants or turn the country in to one huge knocking shop.

The Americans are already fighting back. The best argument being that if the flavouring of eliquid goes "underground", the state will lose the ability to monitor standards and lose revenue.

It's up to them. If it happens here, which I strongly doubt, then it's up to us.

[charliehorse]

I have been following this thread with interest and can honestly say I don't think we will follow suit with America on what can only be described as a ludicrous ban on e-cigarettes through the ban on flavouring

Its a shame that the USA import market on juice will suffer but there are loads of good home produced liquids out there that will still be available, not to mention the range of flavouring that will still available for us DIY'ers.

Why do I think the ban will not affect Britain ? Basically due to the vast income of tax dollars that the USA will lose through tobacco revenue considering the future bonds that a lot of states hold on tobacco taxes. The other countries mentioned in previous posts also rely heavily on tobacco funding. I'm not saying that the UK isn't going to miss the tax raised on tobacco but maybe not to the same extent.

Also, we have the reports from the NHS on the greater than 95% less harmful than cigarettes - a well published statistic that would be hard to ignore, especially since e-cigs are gradually being accepted by local health authorities as a reason to recommend them as a legitimate quitting aid

I like the range of flavours that are out there, not them all but definitely more than just tobacco and menthol, and i'm sure i ain't the only one.
Would I have switched without that range of flavours ... maybe, but it would not have been as easy.

Perhaps they should concentrate on removing all those appetizing brightly coloured packages that are so so attractive to kids .... not e-liquids but sweets, available to all ages in most shops. Filled with sugar and definitely bad for your teeth and waistline.

[jtc]

Yes I believe our government are using a different tact. To me it looks like they are encouraging the use of vapes if anything. Therefore reducing smoke related illness and hospital beds needed and slowly they will raise tax on nic to recoup losses from tobacco.

[buggritt]

Just had a look at the beeb. Unusually, two quite impartial pieces on the USA ban giving equal time to the UK point of view. One on the Beyond Today podcast particularly fair. Emailed them, firstly to congratulate them, and to point out that it's well hidden on the website. Fair reporting not as important as sensational headlines.
If you feel strongly, bombard your MP, your BBC and anyone else you can think of to put your experience to them. None of them have a clue about the reality of vaping.

[bioxx]

Health experts ‘certain as ever’ vaping is less harmful than smoking cigarettes — despite 34 US deaths link

BRITISH health chiefs say they are “as certain as ever” that vaping is less harmful than smoking – as it is linked to 34 deaths in the US.

The American Center for Disease Control is probing 1,604 cases of serious lung disease associated with vaping across 49 states....

linky

Not that we didn't know that already.