What do you all think of the higs boson?

[fagin]

Jul 5, 2012 18:48:15 GMT domesticextremist said:

I thought he was truly hilarious on HIGNFY the other week.

The woosh woosh doors at the beginning were classic

[beautycat]

Wasn't going to read this thread as I thought it was a tobacco flavour and I'm not keen on tobacco flavours

Btw you have no idea how much I am laughing at myself. Every time I read the thread title I start giggling again #icon_rofl# #icon_rofl# #icon_rofl#

[leftfield]

It's interesting for sure. I was really disappointed in the article I read on my break though. It barely explained anything and had some silly caveman's reply about how much money it's cost them to do it all and that all scientists should be curing everything and then they can work out 'useless' things like find particles. I'd sooner we spent money on advancing our understanding of the universe than on useless things like politicians so let's keep our priorities in check. I just thought, what a stupid thing to say. You expect a physicist to work on cures for diseases? You think your optical drive came from a biologist's mind? Curing diseases is its own field of science and sure, maybe the common cold would be cured if everything was focused on curing all diseases but then you wouldn't have *anything* you have now without every other field of science.

I'm probably going to look a little silly now, but I'm very well versed in everything 'conspiracy theory' and 'out there' aka left field I always remember the knowledge that we seem to have lost at some point in our past. "We" managed to build pyramids, countless cities, moniliths etc but "we" were pretty much still in the dark ages not even that long ago. There seems to be a huge gap in history for us like there was some huge event that set us back so far. The entire world has a universal flood myth similar to noah's ark so there's one possible reason for you.

I can point to the dogon tribe that has a 'religion' that seems to show an outstanding knowledge of the universe, even knowing about stars and planets we only discovered ourselves "recently". Things like the antikythera mechanism that seems way ahead of its time. We're still, now, making amazing discoveries like gobleki tepe - seeming to look like an actual "noah's ark" of animals set in stone and older than anything we've seen so far - all this at a time when it's "accepted" that "we" were no more than hunter gatherers that never built a thing.

I can point to India and their religion - that they are under no illusion that their religion was inspired from the cosmos and dare I say it, from outer space. Native indian tribes refer to their "gods" as "space brothers" and state that their religion was founded by people who flew down and helped them out. When Colombus landed in America, the natives thought they had come from the sky, not from the sea as the only other people they had seen had come from the sky! They wouldn't listen when they were assured they had come by sea from another land. So many reliefs in ancient times we're still discovering seem to have an advanced knowledge of mathematics, the universe and oddly of sound waves and sound interference patterns. They were dismissed as just religious artwork for years and year until someone made the connection that there are a large number of them that show a real understanding of things we've only just discovered ourselves.

When they were talking about mass and the higgs particle, I immediately thought of coral castle. This one guy moving huge blocks of coral on his own with some strange device apparantly (a magnetic flywheel connected to wooden stilts and a box) and claimed to have found the secrets of the ancient world and how the pyramids were built. He claimed that gravity doesn't exist, but it's actually closer to magnetics and changing the polarity is how he achieved "anti-gravity" effects. If the higgs boson particle is responsible for mass, then "charge" could play a role in the "weight" of things.

This magnetic idea isn't unfounded. Look to stonehenge, built on a magnetic hotspot while we now wonder how on earth they built it. The lesser known "carnac stones" in britney, France, also highly magnetic stones built on a magnetic layline and involves mathematics that were way before their errected time. Both of these places have a legend that "merlin" did it which sounds absurd. They claim merlin came and put them there with a singing rod (using acoustic levitation? Sound can create anti-gravity effects if you didn't know) for stonehenge and the carnac stones are meant to be invading roman soldiers turned to stone by merlin who is thought to be a parallel of "Jesus".

Both are "religious" sites and I don't think religion and science is that far apart, not if you consider the parallels of more ancient religions and sound, magnetics, our solar system, the sun and the cosmos as a whole. Just look at ohm, meant to be the sound of the universe - how would one discover that and yes, the universe makes sounds, every planet even has its own sound as everything exists on its own "frequency". On an interesting note, the olympic stadium was not only built on nuclear waste and surrounded by streets with religious names and on the Grenwich mean time line, it's also on a magnetic hot spot on the earth's magnetic field.

There is a lot of alternative history that has merit and I really doubt we know it all. To me it seems like we're finally rediscovering what was once lost before or at least are finally understanding it instead of hailing it as a religion or something "miraculous" because it's a bit beyond our understanding.

There are things that seem to have disappeared as well, recently, that appeared a century later. I can refer to tesla and his invention of wireless electricity. I saw an article around 5 years ago with scientists claiming to have invented it. It was done near a century ago. There's so much Tesla discovered that really pushed our world and understanding of our world but that's another story. I really wonder just how much further along we are to how much we're taught in schools and through the media.

On an interesting note on how the pyramids still influence our religion and society, look into the deity, "amen" and wonder why every prayer is ended in the word "amen" and why there are egyptian styled obelisks in places like the city of london (where all the banks and important buildings are, not the whole city), the vatican and in washington.

The whole religion thing amuses me a little bit. How is it possible to mock old religions as nothing but mythology, when so many of them are direct parallels of our own! At no point did anyone learn about horus in school and think, hmm, that sounds just like our idea of Jesus, right down to the virgin birth. It's still mythology today, it's just not changed enough for us to look at it objectively as we can with older religions. "Christianity" goes back to the first recorded religion we know about which was the mayans and yup, it's essentially the same idea we hold today but of course their relgious belief is just silly by todays standards isn't it?

I could go on forever and I probably sound a bit like a wacko, but yeah, I'm glad they've made a start on something solid and hope to see more discoveries that push our understanding beyond our limiting "religious beliefs" and into a more universal understanding of everything - whether that includes a deity or not as who can rule that out (though I don't agree with the way religions are now and am not religious).

p.s. congrats if you read all of this nonsense

[domesticextremist]

Interesting post there leftfield. I was having a similar conversation with an Indian friend of
mine just a couple of days ago.
The problem with a lot of religious texts is that they are expressed in non-scientific language
and they have been transcribed and retranscribed over the ages so that their original meaning
has bee obscured or lost completely. In addition, as keepers of the knowledge, they have deleted
bits that didn't suit the fashion of the day or their particular agenda (with knowledge comes power
etc).
Meanwhile in the West we assume that civilisation began with the Enlightement (whereas
in reality much scientific and mathematical knowledge was passed through the Arab world
from India and China) and that our science is the only true knowledge.

Neither is true, and I think there have been maby dark ages where we losrt a lot of knowledge
and awareness - a bit like Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy: just as we figure out the meaning of
life the universe and everything we get destroyed to make way for an intergalactic highway

[leftfield]

It's a little ironic that the whole concept of the bible and pretty much any religion made utterly no sense to me as odd things happen like people flying around and chariots in the sky and just bizarre things you would only really see in sci-fi films only made some sense when I thought about it as literally sci-fi. It's a pretty out there theory but surprisingly it makes more sense to me than taking it literally as-is.

It also makes a lot more sense if you take it non literally and more as a reference to the constellations. Jesus's symbol was the fish (which is still a christian symbol) and he was a fisherman, able to walk on water and turn water to wine. I.e, he represents pices. They talk about the age a lot in scripture, as in the age of pices. There is a lot of talk of Jesus coming again - but if you take it as less literal and more universal, this of course means that we will reach the age of pices once again which we of course will. Jesus was followed by his 12 deciples and the number 12 comes up fairly often in a similar manner in other religions as well. It doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that there are also 12 signs of the zodiac, or "ages".

As with older religions that use the same setup as christianity, the main deity represents the sun. The son of god? More like the sun of god. Consider the winter solstice. On dec 22, the sun sits at its lowest point in the sky (symbolising death in the ancient world as their crops and land 'died' in this time) and stops moving south for 3 days and sits right under the crux or cross constellation. So, you can compare to the crucificion there - the son/sun of god sits on the cross for 3 days, dies and comes back to life after those 3 days. Of course, this is also Christmas or Jesus' birth or rebirth when the sun is restored again. The pagan religion really founded this idea in the UK and also used the cross symbol before it was adopted into christianity by the romans to get it going here.

Not wonder why paganism was so frowned upon? It seems more a form of concealment of the roots of the new religion being brought in.

I really don't like to talk about these sorts of things though, as you get labelled as some kind of nut for going against convention. It's not really like that to me, I just enjoy considering other possibilities and don't let it rule my whole life or anything.

I haven't read the hitchhiker's guide for a long time now I'll have to look it out again, it was a great read and right up there with my sense of humour.

[OneDay]

Jul 5, 2012 19:27:52 GMT beautycat said:

Wasn't going to read this thread as I thought it was a tobacco flavour and I'm not keen on tobacco flavours

Btw you have no idea how much I am laughing at myself. Every time I read the thread title I start giggling again

BC that is a classic. Another genuine lough-out-loud moment from AAEC

[Phoenix .]

Thanks for imparting your knowledge and views on the subject of science v religion...food for thought.

[gaura]

the reason Higgs Bosun is called "The God Particle", is actually because the guy who named it, originally called it the Goddamned particle, due to it being so hard to find.

This got shortened to the god particle, as the original name was considered a bit rude!

It is true, I am not making it up!

[leftfield]

Jul 6, 2012 16:08:01 GMT gaura said:

the reason Higgs Bosun is called "The God Particle", is actually because the guy who named it, originally called it the Goddamned particle, due to it being so hard to find.

This got shortened to the god particle, as the original name was considered a bit rude!

It is true, I am not making it up!

I think.. I learned something and from a woman

See it's not so hard to get men to learn things afterall

lol j/k. I didn't know that, be something cool to say if anyone brings it up IRL.

[Bluefish]

Jul 5, 2012 7:35:10 GMT ciar said:

in all honesty the only answer is 42....... ;-)

Wrong 46 is the answer, he just needs abit of help at the moment

[Puffin UK (Neil)]

I think that it will produce a chain reaction of particles, atoms and molecules reacting together that will ultimately create a black hole, consuming mankind and ultimately resulting in a new flavour of E-Liquid!

Other than that I have no idea.

[Bluefish]

Jul 5, 2012 15:18:55 GMT Gordy said:

Jul 5, 2012 13:58:48 GMT @colliwobbles said:

if it means they can teleport our stash supplies instead of relying on rm then yep good if not i will stick to startrek coz its real dontcha know

sorry but Star Trek is not real... James T Kirk is just acting, in real life he is a copper

Blasphemy, keeping to the religiouse theme here lol, the obviouse and best Star Trek captain ever is, Captain John Luke Picard, Engage

[Puffin UK (Neil)]

Jul 7, 2012 1:02:43 GMT Bluefish said:

Jul 5, 2012 15:18:55 GMT Gordy said:

sorry but Star Trek is not real... James T Kirk is just acting, in real life he is a copper

Blasphemy, keeping to the religiouse theme here lol, the obviouse and best Star Trek captain ever is, Captain John Luke Picard, Engage

Surely, "Make it so"?

[farzooks]

Of William Shatner...

Jul 5, 2012 18:48:15 GMT domesticextremist said:

I thought he was truly hilarious on HIGNFY the other week.

I watched a few eps of "Shit my Dad Says", last year and found it quite funny at times.
Came as quite a surprise to me.

[Deleted]

Jul 5, 2012 18:48:15 GMT domesticextremist said:

I thought he was truly hilarious on HIGNFY the other week.