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Post by anoregami on Jun 16, 2012 22:30:50 GMT
Given how awful my juice initially tasted in my former e-cigs, overall I'm quite satisfied with what I'm currently getting, that's probably far from being perfect, but that's still way better than before.
I hope I'll eventually achieve a mixed juice with a good taste, but for the moment yes I only mix very small samples, I have yet so many flavours to try.
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Post by anoregami on Jun 16, 2012 21:52:01 GMT
Placing plastic bottles in an oven sounds like a recipe for disaster, if you want to accelerate the steeping try dropping the sealed bottle into mug of hot water and allowing it to cool to room temperature. You have to be careful as they may warp/melt. May be a good idea to go back to basics and buy some premixes  Ok I'll opt for the hot water alternative, seems less risky indeed. Well obliviously that I could get some pre-mixed juices, but I already have all the separate ingredients to make like one litre of juice, and lately I was able to get something acceptable, so I think I'm on on the right track now. I didn't expect to get the right result on my first try anyway, I knew that'd be a trial and error method. Alright from now on I'll let my mixes steep with the lid open for at least one week and in hot water, hopefully I'll get a better taste. By the way is 20% of flavouring enough, or do I need to add some more? Maybe the higher the final juice is in nicotine, the richer in flavour concentrate it must be? Because I noticed the nicotine solution has a quite nasty odour. |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 16, 2012 13:20:42 GMT
Lol I was not even saying that jokingly about the oven  I mean if I set the temperature to 60°C, you think my plastic bottles will melt? Otherwise I was not implying that my flavourings may be too old and therefore might have gone bad (yes they have been stored in good conditions, such as you described), but rather that they are no recent, so I imagined that the steeping process would be over since since last year. Incidentally, I didn't know you had to steep the final mixed e-juice, I assumed that only flavour concentrates were concerned, so perhaps that explains why it doesn't taste great? |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 16, 2012 12:46:00 GMT
Hello Perpetua and thank you for your welcome message. I indeed realized than mixing e-juices was not as straightforward as I thought it would be ... Well at least I think I'll learn from my errors I eventually managed to get a fairly good amount of vapour, and although the taste is quite decent, it is rather weak. I just checke, and I bought all my flavour concentrates when I placed my first e-cig order, so they date back to early 2011. Most bottles were left sealed, would opening them speed up the steeping process? Or is it safe to put them in a warm oven for like one or two hours? Lucky VG is that cheap in your pharmacies, if I knew back then when I was in London I'd have picked up a few bottles |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 23:32:01 GMT
You buy your VG in a pharmacy, that must be more expensive, no?
I'll add a little amount of water at a time, and see how it thins down.
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 22:43:24 GMT
Ah fair enough, that seems more logical and reasonable  Pure VG was such a PITA to suck in the syringe, and even to expel it from the latter afterwards Wow hat's quite an exhaustive guide lol, I'll definitely read it attentively later, thank you for sharing the link. |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 22:25:04 GMT
Ah ok I see, but only 15-20% of VG and 80-85% of water?? I thought you would only need a minimal amount of water. Because if I mix it in bulk, I can only have one try, hence I would have thought you should be quite conservative regarding the percentage of water you put in the water/VG mixture.
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 21:53:32 GMT
Follow a simple process of elimination. I will assume the juice is the problem - if it's an equipment issue then only a premade juice test will reveal it. I have no experience of mixing liquids, but based on what I have read and simple logic this is the process I would follow to find the most likely source of the problem. Do this with small quantities to avoid wastage. 1. Mix some juice with no nicotine - just mix some PG/VG with 1 flavouring. Maybe use less flavouring than you think you need, it doesn't matter if the flavour is weak, your main concern is getting a vape without the bad taste you are experiencing. If doing this gives you an ok vape then the most likely problem is the nic juice - steeping juices is neccessary to properly mix them, but from what I have read, this applies only to juice with nicotine content. 2. If step 1 resulted in a good vape, try adding nicotine to the next mix... if this causes a bad vape, it's likely that the problem is your juices need to steep. Steeping can be speeded up by lightly warming the juice for about an hour or so (place juice bottle in a dish of warm water or some place which gets warm but not hot) - try the juice again after an hour or so. 3. If step 1 produced a bad vape, try a no nic mix with only PG and flavouring to eliminate any issues with the VG. You can do the same with VG only but would need to thin it first. 4. If you still get a bad vape with no nic mixes, try vaping PG without any flavouring. Hopefully somewhere in the course of that process you should identify the component which is causing problems. Incidentally, you really should have some bare atomisers and a drip tip to do this and for testing any juices you make in future... it is going to be both costly and annoying to keep trying different mixes using cartos, clearos or any other container. Good luck with your testing I have loads of spare parts now, but only a few bare attos (with no stuffing). However, I have no drip tip. Otherwise you mean that I should put directly 2 or 3 drops on the atto with no cartridge? There is not risk of burnt taste in vaping this way? If so, then yes that's probably more convenient and appropriate for rapid testing than filling entirely a whole cartridge and cleaning it up in-between each test. Without mentioning, as you pointed it out, wastage of juice. thank you Probably a mixture of things. BTW it is easier to premix the water and VG (15-20%) rather than try and add it separately. Basically I should do it in 2 steps: - first mix up solely VG and water - then add the rest, and stir everything together? ..still could be the flavourings. Are they branded or just food flavours? Some flavourings contain oil and/or sugar which could be the cause of the problem. ??? I got them from totally wicked UK, so I guess they were specifically made for e-juices |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 21:30:19 GMT
I tried mixing up another e-juice sample, with each respective ingredient as follows (each expressed in ml):
water: 4
nicotine @ 72mg/ml: 7
PG: 10
VG: 11
mint flavour concentrate: 1
raspberry flavour concentrate: 7
bottom line: that's way better !
So perhaps that was either my previous preparation that was not quite good enough or the previous carto/clearos that were faulty?
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 21:12:41 GMT
Are you in France? Try some easy liquid, Vermillion river from e-cigwizard, Hangsen e-liquids are all good quality juices.. Yes you can order different PG/VG ratios.. Yes I do live in France, but I don't mind ordering from a British website as long as delivery is not too pricey. I'll check those juices, thank you. |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 20:57:05 GMT
Hello Chrissie Fine, I can order a few bottles of e-juice, but then what brands would you recommend me to try? Also are pre-made e-juices offered in various proportions of PG/VG? thank you |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 20:41:02 GMT
All seems ok. My advise would be to buy a couple of pre-mixed juices and try..They are hardly about 5-6 euro. Your mixing liquids will not got bad and have a shelf life of at least 2 years so you have plenty of time to use them. I'll attempt mixing up one more batch with less nic and more VG (and probably will add some waater as well, otherwise i think it'll be too thick), and if the same issue is present I'll indeed end up ordering some pre-mixed juice. I'm not affraid that they go bad, it is just that it annoys me that after my second e-cig order I still can't have a good vaping experience  Out of interest what flavouring were you using? 90% Raspberry with a few drops of menthol (the remaining, i.e. 10%). I have a dozen of other flavours, but I didn't have the opportunity to try them out yet. Sometimes it's best to walk before you run a couple of ego/riva bateries, some boge 510 cartos and some pick an mix ready made e-juice. then move onto mixing your own and trying out diferent tanks etc I already have several ego batteries, and a 1000 mAh VV batery. Also got some boge 510 cartos (among others) from my last order The only thing I don't have currently is the pre made juice |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 19:27:19 GMT
maccafan do you think that 20mg of nicotine per mL is too much? No it's not too much. My question is how do you know what you are mixing is 20mg/ml? Your first post was quite vague.. 0 Well my nicotin juice has a strength of 72mg/mL, and I prepared my juice by combining one part of the former with about 2.5 parts of the rest (PG, VG and flavours), hence in fine that's roughly 72*(1/3.5) ~ 20.5 mg/mL of nic. Maybe it's technique. Inhaling during vaping is different to smoking. You need to take a slow smooth and steady drag for a longer period into your mouth before inhaling. Are you trying to direct inhale? Not I hold it in my mouth for like 2 seconds before breathing in, no direct inhale. A few drops at the battery connector end is normal. It's condensation or may be a couple of drops of e-juice because you were trying to fill using the central hole. ok |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 18:59:52 GMT
No wonder the juices taste rank , a new juice takes a while to steep and settle into a nice flavour . To be fair I wouldn't be trying to tackle mixing your own juices till you get the hang of vaping with pre mixed juice Thank you for your answer Recently I only got attos and a few more batteries, all my juices (including flavour concentrates) were quite old (more than 6 months). It tasted very harsh and pungent. I didn't think that mixing up some liquids was that complicated :s Sounds like a battery/connection problem to me? you should at least get some vapour. I'll charge another battery and see if it is better, thanks. After you've filled your cartos, hold a bit tissue under the conector end and blow through to get rid of any accidental juice in the centre Alright, I'll do that next time I (re)fill a carto, thank you. I average 20mg on both premix and own mix Now I know this might sound a silly question but does , the button on your battery light up when pressed ? Yes it does, I don't think my battery is dead, but I'll still test another one and check whether or not it improves the vaping experience. Hi & Welcome, Concentrate on getting either clearos or cartos to work, not both at the same time. 20mg 50/50 PG/VG is a decent starting point, but the flavour may not be pleasant until you know more about mixing. If you go for cartos (a good idea because they're cheaper and you can afford to bin them if necessary), look up the condom method for filling. If you fill a carto properly, with premixed juice, and it still doesn't work you will then have eliminated most of the possible causes (basically you're down to connection or battery problems, which can be solved). At present it's hard to advise because there are too many maybes. Simplify. When you get it all working you'll be amazed.  Hi and thank you for the welcome message. Not only the flavour is not pleasant (basically there is none) but most importantly, it is what I inhale that is really irritating to the tongue/throat and I have no idea what cause it. I have a syringe, using it is not an adequate method to fill cartos? I don't think my e-cigs is gonna get pregant Joking aside, I'll have a look at this way of topping off cartos I don't have any pre-mixed juice within reach, and as I just placed an order recently, I am somewhat reluctant to get pre-mixed juices to be honest  (I already have the approximately 1 litre of e-liquids) |
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Post by anoregami on Jun 15, 2012 18:14:21 GMT
Thank you both for the replies. I didn't buy pre-mixed juices because I didn't know what nic content juice I would want in the first place (and I still don't because I didn't really vape that much as of now), and also because I could save a few quids by getting the different liquids separately in larger quantities. That also allows me to try more flavour concentrates and adjust the flavour more accurately. I tried to blow in the centre hole, apparently it was free of e-liquid. maccafan do you think that 20mg of nicotine per mL is too much? As far as I can remember, for my first e-cig, I was able to draw a few puffs with a pre-filed cartridge with a nic content of 18mg/mL, before it rapidly becomes a burnt taste, when it was okay (no burning pain). Yes azzie that's a lot of questions , but I'd really like to get my PV to work as intended, so far I must say I have had no luck with my e-cigs :< |
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(I already have the approximately 1 litre of e-liquids)