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Post by thundercat on Feb 27, 2013 20:15:48 GMT
Received today
Thank you for your email concerning the European Commission's recent proposal for a revision of the EU Tobacco Products Directive, particularly with regards to the proposed new rules surrounding 'nicotine containing products', such as e-cigarettes. I would first like to point out that the proposal does not contain an outright ban on nicotine containing products, and that such products may still be sold freely as long as the amount of nicotine contained in them does not exceed a certain threshold. The exact wording in the proposal states: "Nicotine Containing Products that either have a nicotine level exceeding 2mg, a nicotine concentration exceeding 4 mg per ml or whose intended use results in a mean maximum peak plasma concentration exceeding 4 ng per ml may be placed on the market only if they have been authorised as medicinal products on the basis of their quality, safety and efficacy, and with a positive risk/benefit balance 24". There are many arguments for and against nicotine containing products, in particular with regards to their safety, functioning and impact on health, as well as the effect more stringent regulation would have on the habits of nicotine addicts. Some argue that the relatively low level of nicotine permitted by the revised Directive in devices like e-cigarettes would render them useless to those attempting to quit smoking. However, others suggest that not enough is known about the safety of such products, and that they are in need of greater regulation in order to safeguard against an increasing over dependency. The debate in the European Parliament on the issue of nicotine-containing products is still at an early stage. Over the coming months, my UK Lib Dem colleagues who are members of the European Parliament’s ENVI Committee (Environment, Public Health and Food Safety), Rebecca Taylor MEP and Chris Davies MEP, will be looking at a range of studies and meeting various experts and stakeholders in order to have as sound an understanding of the issue as possible. I can assure you that we will be closely following the progress of this proposal through Parliament. Thank you again for your email. Yours sincerely Fiona Hall MEP Fiona Hall MEP Leader of the Liberal Democrats in the European Parliament Liberal Democrat MEP for North East England
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Post by thundercat on Feb 22, 2013 23:33:11 GMT
I'm not at a point where I can do the ss mesh wick thing. I am at the point of throwing all my re-buildables out( obviously I wont cos they satisfy me when I get it going) .... mainly because of the inconsistency of the science. They do not work 100% of the time and they do not work 50% of the time even though I do exactly the same thing each time I try. I get a good and a bad result doing the same thing.
So I end up sticking a silicon in just so I can vape. And its good so whats the problem?? I've just spent a tenner on mesh. Waste of money!!
Has anyone found anything that doesn't conduct but gives a safe vape? There must be something.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 21, 2013 23:56:55 GMT
Yep girlie or not I still think they are the nutz but too pricey for me just now. Wonder if they would reduce with a group buy ( not volunteering tho )
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Post by thundercat on Feb 20, 2013 22:01:17 GMT
A comment by Dave Dorn tonight has prompted me to question what these Mp/MEp/s actually understand what an electronic cigarette is. If they believe what most of us use is a looky-likey and everyone is using 1 small cart a day( or indeed 1 cart equals 1 cigarette or 40 fags or whatever), then we all need to educate them- and very quickly.
I'm firing off the question asap.
Andy
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Post by thundercat on Feb 19, 2013 0:17:50 GMT
Nah, best thing is to be up-front about it all, don't succumb to shiny stuff, and show the savings !! Then other halves can't moan I track every penny I've spent since I started vaping, with which vendor and what item/juice it was, on a spreadsheet, and show what I would have spent on baccy/papers/filters, net saving so far £168 And as I've got enough hardware for ever (almost ) and at least 3 month's-worth of juice, by May I'll have saved £430 If anyone wants a copy of the s/sheet, pm me an e-mail address and I'll ping one over Was just about to ask for a share of it then read the last line. Its a good-un if you wanna post it somewhere accessible.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 23:56:40 GMT
Absolutely priceless- are they twins?
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 23:53:18 GMT
I'm wondering now if I can actually con my way into the Sunderland echo. Its worth a try.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 23:33:29 GMT
"BEWARE! Your favourite toothpaste could be laced with cancer- causing nicotine." WTF!!!!
Next they will be telling us there's fluoride in it that causes bones to die and turn black!
Excellent find by the way. I am definately becoming a reporter. It an effing doddle.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 22:23:26 GMT
Just need to get her on board. Be open about what you are doing and explain that you have Acquired Shiney Sindrome and are excused on medical grounds.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 22:12:39 GMT
Mark I thought that was a brilliant reply.
And a particularly outstanding rant from T.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 18:24:47 GMT
Keep it polite and to the point. Dont rant- thats what here is for haha.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 17:51:18 GMT
See, they are in a mind set that makes them believe they make decisions for us. Its the other way round matey.They do stuff that we want them to do."Greens favour effective regulation of the tobacco industry on public health grounds." Irrelevant what you believe in, its what we want that counts.
This is whats going wrong.
In general though its a fair answer.
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 14:17:41 GMT
Sure I've seen this one aswell.
Thank you for your email setting out your thoughts on a proposal issued by the European Commission to amend current European law concerning the manufacture, presentation and sale of tobacco and related products.
Among the products to be affected by the proposed changes are electronic inhalers, commonly known as personal vaporizers or e-cigarettes, which vaporize a liquid solution containing nicotine into an aerosol mist which is then inhaled to simulate the act of smoking tobacco. The Commission proposes to limit the amount of nicotine in solutions sold for use in electronic cigarettes to four milligrams of nicotine per millilitre, unless the products have been classified as for medicinal use. This would render the solution too weak to be a viable source of nicotine for smokers or ex-smokers, or would require manufacturers to apply for a costly licence to manufacture medicinal products.
You are not alone in contacting me on this issue - many constituents feel similarly strongly. I have examined the arguments and I see the potential e-cigarettes offer as harm-reduction devices to improve human health. I understand that e-cigarettes offer concentrated nicotine to addicts without the 4000 toxins and carcinogens found in tobacco smoke, that use of e-cigarettes removes the risk posed to non-smokers (and especially to children of smokers) by second hand smoke, that e-cigarettes appeal to adult smokers seeking to quit but not generally to children or those not yet addicted to nicotine, that traditional nicotine replacement therapies proposed by the NHS and the pharmaceutical industry have had very limited success in helping smokers quit permanently, and that thousands of British e-cigarette users (and millions across the EU and the world) are likely to return smoking if the directive is amended as foreseen and nicotine concentrations are limited to 4mg/ml. I have no doubt that this will lead to a large percentage of such users dying of smoking-related diseases that they might otherwise have avoided. Such arguments have led me to conclude that the proposed changes to limit permitted concentrations of nicotine solution sold in the EU are counter-productive and will do more harm than good.
As a member of the Parliament's Committee on the Environment, Public Health and Food Safety I will put forward these arguments and work to convince other MEPs of the foolishness of diluting nicotine solution to the point of uselessness. I would also encourage you to raise awareness among others in the vapourizing community. If you have not already done so I would also encourage you to write to your MP and request that they raise the matter in Westminster. If we bring to the attention of the public, the political world and the media the strong arguments in favour of e-cigarettes as a harm reduction device and the number of lives which can be saved through their use, we have a very strong chance of winning the argument.
I would be happy to receive your comments and suggestions as we move through the legislative process. I have offices in the UK and in Brussels and if there is anything else you would like to bring to my attention, please do not hesitate to get in touch. I am here to work on your behalf and would be delighted to hear from you.
Yours sincerely,
Martin Callanan
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Leader, European Conservatives and Reformists Group
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Post by thundercat on Feb 18, 2013 13:07:32 GMT
Thing is , you know , every UK smoker rolled over to get their belly rubbed when the smoking ban was announced, myself included. I'd like to bet that not one single smoker likes going outside in the belting rain or freezing conditions in winter but they let it happen and they accept it even now. If we ALL don't voice an opinion contrary to someone elses thoughts and ideas.. we will end up the same. And I don't want that to happen. Do you? We have a better chance because we have forums and tv channels and communication like nothing smokers had/have. So tell them you do not want it to happen.
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