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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 23:26:25 GMT
The only small gripe I have with it, is that the screws should have been counter sunk.
That really is the only fault I can find though.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 23:24:22 GMT
Lush. ..in Purple... ? Black
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 23:14:28 GMT
Ok finally narrowed it down to 8....
Apple & Rhubarb Crumble Black Jack Cheese & Onion Clove Dr P Elderflower Root Beer Smokey Bacon
......for now.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 22:16:53 GMT
I've only got to the B's and already have 36 flavourings I'd like to try. Love it Mark . . . makes lairey and I look positively frugal. I've stopped looking as the list got severely out of hand.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 21:54:40 GMT
Nice find PerpetuaThey have some very interesting new flavours. I've only got to the B's and already have 36 flavourings I'd like to try.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 17:56:56 GMT
Replied.
Sold pending payment.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 12:35:53 GMT
I like the look of it even more now that my Mods and Atties are in it. Very good & solid stand for the money.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 12:20:20 GMT
The study was crowd funded but I do believe industry donated some funds via the crowd funding page too. I don't really think this study tells us anything that we didn't know already. What we need is a study that monitors the effects of diacetyl via vaping in these concentrations. Obviously this would take a lot more time and funding. The thing I totally disagree with is the fact the liquids and manufacturers are not being named. This raising some serious questions for me. It makes me wonder if this really is such an issue, because if it was then surely the only responsible course of action would be to let vapers know exactly what they need to avoid. Also if the industry wanted anonymity then they could have paid for their own research. Dr Farsalinos has said that all the manufacturers and suppliers have been informed so they can take action, but what if they don't? Who is chasing them up on this? I believe the only way you can make sure they do not rest on their laurels and ignore the findings is to make the information public. Then at least people are aware that there may be a problem and make purchases accordingly.Is the point about the manufacturers and suppliers being informed in the full article ? I didn't see it in the free extract. Totally agree that the information should be made public, at the very least the list of samples tested and whether they resulted in the acceptable or high levels found would be a start. I've not seen the full report, but Dr F has said on VTTV before and on social media that they would be informing the manufacturers of the liquids of their findings. That was few months ago, so you'd assume they have been informed by now. I have tweeted Dr F asking if any of the companies that were informed are still selling the liquids. No reply as of yet.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 10:11:31 GMT
Maybe the recent news is incorrect then - after all, was this SCIENTIFIC study not croud-funded (at least partially) by vapers? In their eyes this would make the result biased! Hopefully, this will make those in charge sit up and take note of the other SCIENTIFIC studies that Dr Farsalinos has conducted - after all, he is one of the handful of professional people who is actually trying to save lives, no matter the results of his testing. That, as far as I can see, is his only agenda. Thumbs up to Dr Farsalinos. The study was crowd funded but I do believe industry donated some funds via the crowd funding page too. I don't really think this study tells us anything that we didn't know already. What we need is a study that monitors the effects of diacetyl via vaping in these concentrations. Obviously this would take a lot more time and funding. The thing I totally disagree with is the fact the liquids and manufacturers are not being named. This raising some serious questions for me. It makes me wonder if this really is such an issue, because if it was then surely the only responsible course of action would be to let vapers know exactly what they need to avoid. Also if the industry wanted anonymity then they could have paid for their own research. Dr Farsalinos has said that all the manufacturers and suppliers have been informed so they can take action, but what if they don't? Who is chasing them up on this? I believe the only way you can make sure they do not rest on their laurels and ignore the findings is to make the information public. Then at least people are aware that there may be a problem and make purchases accordingly.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 9:22:11 GMT
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Post by MarkS on Sept 2, 2014 9:21:09 GMT
The study evaluating the presence of diacetyl and acetyl propionyl in e-cigarette liquids has just been published.
Very timely.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 1, 2014 9:58:24 GMT
Sounds nice Mark. What do you think of CCW Custard? Must admit I'm still to be convinced after a couple of tries now, though that would be easy enough to sub. To be fair I've not tried CCW Custard as an actual custard mix yet. So couldn't really say. It does go well in this mix though but as you say its easily replaced and can't see why it wouldn't work with any custard flavouring.
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Post by MarkS on Sept 1, 2014 2:01:37 GMT
Feeling inspired by some of the Mothers Milk clone recipes out there one evening around 5 weeks ago. I decided to play around with this recipe on UKV. I've never actually tried the above recipe nor have I tried mothers milk, but I'm really liking this variation I came up with. Its a really nice creamy fruity flavour. CCW Custard 10% TPA French Vanilla Deluxe 2% TPA Strawberry 5% L&T Passion Fruit .5% WG Orange .5% TPA Grape .5% TPA Sweetner .5% Just for the record that is .5% and not 5% for the passion fruit, orange, grape & sweetener. Not sure what anyone else will get from this but I find it very well balanced and even at such a low percentage I can actually taste notes of passion fruit, orange & grape. The custard & french vanilla gives the juice more of a luxurious creaminess rather than a full on custard flavour. Delicious.
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Post by MarkS on Aug 31, 2014 21:50:37 GMT
Then to be as safe as possible @purple1234 you must vape unflavoured liquid. Because, like it or not, food flavourings of any type - no matter what they are suspended in (oil, water, PG, alcohol) have not been proven safe to inhale, whether they are natural or synthetically produced. The bigger problem is what reacts with what to cause what. Like I said - it's a complex issue. Let's just hope, as adults, we are allowed to make our own decisions based on the facts available Very true and bugger , if it does come to that ie no more lush flavours , then maybe that's the way forward. I understand the complexity ( ex scientist) maybe it's about time the pro vaping scientific community started to conduct experiments into multi dimensional chemical interactions rather then looking at the effect of the exposure of the individual ingredients . Interesting and difficult times ahead for the whole flavour eliquid debate . I'd go even further than that and say that to be as safe as possible don't vape at all. We are to an extent guinea pigs in all of this and there is a chance some of us won't be liking the long term results.
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Post by MarkS on Aug 31, 2014 21:39:20 GMT
The only thing we have to go on are the 'popcorn lung' cases. These guys where inhaling huge amounts of diacetyl daily over decades. Not sure about the "decades" MarkS as the Reddit article, on page one, says the employees were all "young" so its possible they werent working there for that long. Ive been looking around the net most of today and its seems this is something known for about 4 or 5 years, yet there are still people selling it. The market needs regulation, it shouldnt be down to the media to drum up scare stories. I don't use reddit, but I do remember reading a report where the first (I think it was 6) cases, a few of the employees had worked in the industry for over 10 years and distinctly remember one employee had been there for 22 years. I read so much stuff on diacetyl a year or so ago that I'm struggling to find where the report was posted but I'm pretty sure it was on one of the forums and if my memory serves me right it was part of the courts transcript. Until I can find the report again take what I say with a pinch of salt. Nothing is 'known' in regards to diacetyl and vaping that much I do know for sure and as @vejason has pointed out nothing is known in regards to vaping any other flavourings. Just because a flavouring or juice doesn't contain diacetyl does not mean it is safe or safer than one that does, because the research just hasn't been done. Personally I've made the choice to carry on vaping what I like and if in the long run it turns out that I've knackered myself I won't be crying and screaming its someone elses fault, just like I won't if I've done irreparable damage to myself from the years spent smoking a product I knew only too well could cause illness and send me to an early grave. I'm an adult who is solely responsible for the choices I make. I hold nobody accountable for the mistakes I've made or am going to make.
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