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Absolute chaos getting home. Had armed police on the platform at Bank station with automatic weapons and blast shields, due to a security alert. They were screaming at people to get on to the train I was on. We were held there for about 15 minutes whilst the police checked the train. they were looking for someone on the train. eventually they let the train move on. I'm lucky as that was the last train. They closed the central line after that. When I got out at Mile end it was chaos, some knob head jumped through an open police van window and was piled on by police. Didn't hang about to see what happened. Just glad to be home safely. thoughts go out to those who are not so fortunate tonight.
Sad and nervous end to what was a really pleasant evening
One point that should also be considered is that those who are ignoring the TPD mustn't carry products liability insurance.
Because, if they did, their insurers would have a ready made reason to deny the claims.
I used to bear a grudge against those that didn't carry the correct insurance (when it was costing us £50K per year) and I'm pretty sure that if you added the cost of us becoming TPD compliant (approx £500K) - the grudge would be a lot bigger
Whether I'd report others or not - I'm not sure (goes against my grain really) but I can certainly sympathise with those that do.
That comment regarding the liability insurance puts things into a completely different perspective.
My view on this was based exactly on going against my grain too. It's just not in my nature to tell tales on others.
But yes I genuinely do sympathise with those who have literally broken the bank to become compliant.
MarkS I'm still waiting on a Nautilus shipped on the 19th, I will give it until Saturday then start contacting them again.
After seeing some members pictures on here of their ifancyone orders arriving in Royal Mail plastic bags due to the original packaging being damaged. I'm wondering if some have been damaged so badly that the addresses are no longer visable or the original packaging with the address has been lost altogether?
I believe that retailers wishing to sell direct to consumers in other EU states (where permitted) need to have been accepted onto each country's cross-border sales registers but that products themselves don't need to be re-notified in each and every country.
So theoretically it would currently be legal for UK consumers to buy >2ml tanks from French or German retailers even though it would be an offence for a UK retailer to sell the same item.
I've also heard (though I'm waiting for confirmation) that under the German implementation of the TPD, mods without atomisers / tanks also require their own EU-CIG notification which makes absolutely no sense to me...
That makes sense...the part about retailers registering but not needing to re notify products already notified in their member states.
The part about mods without atomisers makes no sense at all.
Why does all of this remind me of the opening credits of Soap? "Confused?....you will be after this weeks episode of Soap"
I would (of course) have no qualms with buying some under-the-counter 30ml or large tanks from a respectable vaping store. It's not gonna happen though as I'm done with shopping for a very long time.
But if you want a tank that's larger than 2ml and lets be fair we're mostly talking about vapers who know the ropes. Then consumers will just take their business to China. Vapers new to vaping will buy the 2ml tanks and TPD compliant products as they will know no better.
I for example won't be buying any more 2ml tanks as I already own 3 (one an in built device) and they're just not practical for how I vape.
According to this (from the MHRA), they do need to register to sell to consumers here!
Cross Border Sales
You need to register your business if you supply e-cigarette products via cross-border distance sales, for example online sales. This applies to:
- businesses established in the UK selling e-cigarettes and / or refill containers to consumers in another EEA state (European Economic Area – the 28 EU Member States plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway) - businesses established in the EEA or third country selling to UK consumers. Business to business sales, that is sales not direct to consumers, do not need to be registered.
Registration is a legal requirement under the TPD. Without confirmation of registration businesses must not supply a relevant product to a consumer via a cross-border distance sale. The UK notification requirement applies to products supplied to UK consumers via a cross-border sale.
... Another interesting point is that France & Germany haven't banned tanks over 2ml and we're still able to buy them from both of those countries here in the UK. As was said all along. The TPD really is a dogs breakfast.
I could be wrong, but... I'm not sure whether we/they can (legally), unless they've registered the products with the UK's MHRA under the cross-border selling clauses of the TPD.
It's apparently the MHRA and DOH who have clarified cross-border sales with France & Germany are not an issue.
E2A: Just trying to get some clarification on this. I think the registration may only apply to Manufacturers as the vendors will already be registered in their relevant member states. Could be wrong, but I'm waiting on an answer.
I honestly can see both sides of the argument snow & ghostrider1971 . although would I buy a non-compliant under the counter tank from a UK vendor? I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't. We're still seeing online vendors selling off non-compliant stock. Only yesterday I bought a non-compliant Isub tank posted on here. I was going to share it on my twitter feed, but relented as I felt it could get the vendor into trouble. I do have some antz spy on my timeline from time to time, but it wasn't them that I was actually worried about. I think it's sad that some feel the need to do Trading Standards jobs for them.
Another interesting point is that France & Germany haven't banned tanks over 2ml and we're still able to buy them from both of those countries here in the UK. As was said all along. The TPD really is a dogs breakfast.