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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 3, 2013 12:41:52 GMT
The MHRA "Deems" that flavoured e cigs are aimed at children. NRT gum and candies have flavours. So can we therefore assume that these are aimed at children too?
I hate that word "Deem" . Every time they Deam, I scream!
Hee hee neptune I know exactly what you mean arrrrghghgh that ryhmes with it too lol x Let them Let's just say that they "assume" too much!
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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 3, 2013 10:37:24 GMT
This thing about "bubblegum and chocolate" being aimed at children is yet another smoke screen...the ages of the children that might want bubblegum and chocolate are children way under the age of even thinking about smoking. The children who do think about smoking DON'T have bubblegum and chocolate on their mind because it's just not "cool" enough for them.
This is what people should be looking at "Aspartame", a man made drug which is in every single diet drink, Coca Cola, Pepsi, Robinsons and, countless other thousands out there - some companies are honest and will label it, some call it "sweetner" "succralose" "succrose", again amongst the many names for it...but it was approved by the FDA as being "Safe for Human Consumption", it causes depression, anxiety, panic attacks and has to date killed 180,000 people, yet this stuff is sold to our children every single day!!
Smoke and mirrors, they cannot comprehend that we choose to vape because we know the terrible effects of tobacco cigarettes. I know and most people will know this too, that the tobacco companies aim cigarettes at 11-15 year olds in a bid to "get them young and keep them for life", except that life isn't going to be very long and even if it is, it's going to be filled with smoke related illness. If vendors of e-cigarettes stick to their guns and are stringent in complying with the regulations as they already stand - no selling to under 18's and no selling to people who don't already smoke - then what's the problem? For vapers the target market is for the over 25's because this is a time when someone realises that for years they have been abusing their body and they also cannot afford to smoke.
It's about time the likes of the MHRA, the FDA, WHO and several other bodies got real and started looking at the real problem. Vaping is an alternative method of smoking, and that makes us responsible. The big tobacco look for the young, market to the young because they want to keep them for as long as they can, and that makes them irresponsible, at least with e-cigarettes, whichever way an ex-smoker uses them, they can make a choice of lessening their nicotine level and eventually becoming nicotine dependent free or choose to stay using them.
An argument to have them placed in the medicines cupboard just won't hold up, if they are to be used as a smoking cessation device, which thousands upon thousands of people have already done by reducing their nicotine level, then fine, but to actually state that you have to have them as part of the nicotine replacement therapy regime is crazy, the global success rate of NRT's is less than 7%, and yet when this decision was made, they didn't regulate cigarettes! Why?
We are growing rapidly in numbers by the day, we are, at the last count in the UK, 1.3 million vapers strong, no Government can argue with those numbers, we are organised, we have our convictions, we wouldn't have great forums like this and so many others, Facebook Groups, Twitter pages, VapeFests, Campaigns if we were irresponsible and didn't know what we were doing, so I think that we may have been under-estimated, I urge anyone who vapes, and even those who don't as there are 741 million adults in the EU, to stand up and be counted, join as many campaign groups as possible, sign all the petitions, make your voice count, join forums, get involved in discussions and tell your friends. Every day we should celebrate as we know that every single day another smoker becomes a vaper...We chose not to be in the tobacco industry, the tobacco industry chose to be in the vaping industry, however, the tobacco industry will never be able to gain as much support from all the groups I've just mentioned, because when they speak, they speak about how much profit they forecast in the next quarter, when we speak, we speak about what e-liquids we love, what kits we are using, how we are looking forward to meeting at the VapeFest this month, and how bloody great we feel because we are no longer prisoners in the tobacco high dependency unit!
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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 3, 2013 10:08:34 GMT
they think they are great but would be much better as medicines. www.ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_897.pdfThe section that says: "The MHRA has said that flavours such as bubble gum and chocolate would be deemed to be aimed at children. Marketing of NCPs aimed at non-smokers of any age or intended to keep smokers smoking would also be contrary to their intended purpose." makes me want to grab someone and beat some common sense into them! Seriously!? Chocolate and bubblegum flavours are aimed at children? I guess as an adult it's illegal or wrong in some way for me to like those flavours, just as well I only eat that nutritional paste you see them eating in The Matrix because it provides all my body needs and flavour doesn't matter. What about custard, fruit or other pudding flavours? I guess only children like sweet flavours then, probably means that Blue Cheese, broccoli and cabbage flavours are fine for us then because children hate those. And the whole point of our PVs is to be able to keep "smoking" without dying from it, and the intended purpose of E-cigs has NEVER been to quit "smoking" or nicotine. Forehead hurts from hitting my desk so often. This is why we have to fight these utter berks as if our life depends on it, because let's be honest - would you trust any of these drongos with anything let alone something as important as your health!?
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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 2, 2013 15:06:38 GMT
Ahhhh ok xx will do thank you very much x
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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 2, 2013 10:57:02 GMT
djs - too right, 'educating' a key word. There is still a huge chunk of the population that don't even know of the existence of electronic cigarettes, let alone anything beyond the "cigalikes"...if we keep sending out the message, whether it be to our customers and their friends, on forums such as this, on discussion boards, on ALL social media and in the form of flyers, leaflets, campaign websites etc. then I seriously don't think the EU will have a leg to stand on. Even after the decision was made to ban the e-cig and to re-classify it as a medicinal device, the legal team at the EU said "any decision which is made by the EU Parliament with could harm its citizens goes against the core principals of the European Union Charter", if what they have done is not classed as "harm", I don't know what is.
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Post by mittenkitten on Aug 2, 2013 9:52:27 GMT
Big Tobacco joining the electronic cigarette industry can only be applauded, yes we all know that IF, the EU plans go ahead, we will all fall under the remit of nicotine replacement therapies and will have to nip to the pharmacy to get our 0.4% of nicotine (ineffective as these therapies are), but with big tobacco on board, they will do one of two things, as said previously at £6.99, they don't stand a chance and people will seek out the like of non-cigalikes, or people will use them a couple of times and do what most of us did, find the market that is "the e-cigarette market" and get a real e-cigarette, with thousands of flavours of e-liquid to choose from and be able to choose their own nicotine strength. They've done it again though, they've come into the market with their Bold Vype and it has 44%mg strength nicotine, doesn't matter that they taste terrible, according to one reviewer, and only last half an hour, people will get wise that for just say, £10 more they can get themselves an eGO starter kit, some e-liquid and away they go - Big tobacco joined OUR industry we just left theirs!
They can't compete with what we have to offer, and there are many, many vendors around the world all reputable, not aiming our product at under 18's and not wanting to "get 'em young and keep 'em hooked for life". We have choices and our choices I believe are that we CHOOSE TO VAPE, WE DON'T CHOOSE TO BE ILL, SO THEREFORE WHY MAKE THE INGENIOUS ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE DEVICE AND IT'S E-LIQUID FALL UNDER THE NRT'S...THIS IS RATHER PRESUMPTIOUS OF THE EU TO THINK THAT WE ARE ALL ILL AND NEED THERAPY? Who says we don't have millions to throw at advertising, we don't need to and why they think they should is beyond me, but we do have millions upon millions of vapers to throw at them! Our product, the electronic cigarette sells itself, not the cigalike, let them spend their millions, for each person that buys and trys on of their products we could have a potential vaper on board with us, and we don't need millions of Pounds or Euros to educate people, we simply carry on the good fight, join as many campaigns as possible and although we've welcomed Big Tobacco into our industry with open arms, we won't mind at all, when we show them the door!
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