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no, you misunderstood me I was stating how your disagreements affected my use of the VTR, and did not consider them criticisms of me,only of the VTR 

Just got the VTR and immediately(the lovely case it was in) I was blown away,as up to now I have only had the Vamo. The feel of it in my hands, the build quality, the menu system, sturdy buttons, the looks, the vaping, the fact it stands up easily, and the "my money was well spent" factor all made me smile. I paid £40 for the Vamo V5 SS body, and £65 for the VTR(but it did come with the iClear30S worth £12 and a sturdy SS case worth a few bob),assuming you only place a tenner as the worth of the case(more like £20) the VTR cost me £43. I got both of them from Myepack.

If you buy only one then get the VTR, though heavier than the Vamo and chunkier(I reckon it won't suit small hands)

Would like to hear from someone who has both the VTR and the rolls royce mod(provari) ?

marks out of 10
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build quality and sturdyness: VTR 10 , Vamo 5 (already one button doesn't click but still works)
looks and feel : VTR 10 , Vamo 7
use(vaping,med to large hands) : VTR 9 , Vamo 7
use(vaping,small hands) : VTR 5 , Vamo 9
use(menu) : VTR 8 , Vamo 8
value for money : VTR 10 , Vamo 7

total : VTR 52/60(87%) , Vamo 43/60(72%)

please feel free to disagree with me  

It has ,so far, had the effect of getting 2 more of us to sign, and for me to make an appointment with my MP. I understand your protestations about too many threads, but in this instance it has done nothing but help the cause.

Made an appointment to see my MP on the earliest date he can , 13 dec

ty

Ty, when the time comes I will dilute with de ionised water, blimey , I've only been vaping 4 days and already have vg, pg and dripper bottles and syringes