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Post by dafellon on Aug 15, 2015 18:22:38 GMT
Non-profit local event in the Cumbria Lake District for local or small scale vendors to become noticed or show off their skills, live DJ's, Hot Food, Beer and of course, Vaping! **We regret to inform you all that although the site hasn't started taking bookings for the 2016 May Bank Holiday yet; the site owner has confirmed that there will be too many people on site to be able to hold our event that weekend which has set us back a couple of weeks.**'Vape in the Lakes' will be a 2 day event on the weekend of May Bank Holiday (30th of April - 2nd of May 2016) April 23, 2016 - April 24, 2016 "Apr 23, 2016 at 10:00am to Apr 24, 2016 at 6:00pm" at Waterside Farm & Campsite along side Lake Ullswater. Wristbands will be sold to raise money for both a local charity: Eden Valley Hospice (a charity dedicated to providing specialist care to adults from the local area and children throughout Cumbria) and Prostate Cancer UK. The e-store to buy your tickets will go live very soon as there will be limited spaces available. The camping charge for the Saturday is £22 + Wristbands (£2.00 per person) and for Sunday is £26 + Wristbands (£2.00 per person). Full Weekend Tickets will be available at £50 (inc. 2 x Weekend Wristbands). Discounts are available for Vendor pitches combined with Weekend Camping bookings. #VITL2016 Please check it out on Facebook (links below). If you don't have Facebook, then 'AMA', I'll find out. Community Page : Confirmed vendors and the opportunity to add suggestions on this page. Event Page : If you would consider attending even to be a maybe, please click going on the event page to help secure the chosen date/ site booking. Win 2x Weekend camping wristbands!The Story So Far.... video-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpl1/v/t42.1790-2/11941671_717133671764301_1213545473_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjUyMywicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=523&vabr=291&oh=75b0e732ede24e2f2d4cc188af8a7a42&oe=55DAF5BAI did try and add a video above but doesn't seem to show for me? Here's a link; Confirmed vendors & more
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Post by dafellon on May 11, 2015 9:44:23 GMT
Simply they're still using 'ICR' in the descriptions (the part number is LGDBHE21865) rather than the more correct 'IMR'. So ICR would in fact be a derogatory term. Please direct me to where I can confirm this information rather than link to chemistry Li-ion. I don't want to keep bothering you and I want to believe you but if you could share your sources? I'm happy to research but unfortunately, I thought I had. If the manufacturers can't even get it right and people who claim to of tested particular cells and provide contradictory information or confirm the data but is however a mistake...
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Post by dafellon on May 8, 2015 14:48:55 GMT
Ripshod cc: VapingBadWhat did you mean by "LG are still using the old ICR reference." in response to LG HE2's being listed as ICR18650HE2?
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Post by dafellon on May 1, 2015 23:40:00 GMT
As an aside. The LGDAHB61865 was brought up earlier. It wasn't on the cadex machine's database so I did a little digging. It is rated at 30Amps continuous. However, it's an unprotected ICR so not suitable for our purpose. Add to that a paltry capacity of 1500 mAh and we see it wouldn't last long anyway. I can't recommend it. This one is actually just about the amp draw. The VTC3 had about the same mah. As far a LG is concerned, ICR is just a derogatory term unless unprotected in which case would have high IR and is capable of thermal runaway? Thanks for the link by the way.
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Post by dafellon on May 1, 2015 23:32:54 GMT
Ah, explains the confusion dafellon. LG are still using the old ICR reference. More precisely it's a hybrid. Though it's not technically an IMR it is 'safer chemistry'. So it's safe to treat it as an IMR because it behaves exactly the same. Samsung batteries are INR (25R/20R), yet again they are 'safer chemistry'- they behave the same so are also considered an IMR. As vapers we try and keep things simple for others. However, as you have discovered, once we dig a little deeper the little things begin to appear a little bigger than they are. The HE's are safe to use as IMR, as are the Samsungs. The term 'IMR' goes hand-in-hand with 'safer chemistry'. Hope this helps ETA: It's not often we get asked these questions. In the vaping community much of the advice is taken on trust. I'm glad you're asking these questions - but there's a lot to learn. I don't know 10% of it all, but I know enough to stay safe. Further reading, a little chemistry. How do I find/ confirm this info, if so much incorrect information starts with the manufacturer?
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Post by dafellon on Apr 30, 2015 22:15:07 GMT
I'm under the impression the HE2 is an ICR? Where did you get that info from? Both the HE2 and HE4 are IMRs Is it not in the part number as with the HD2... I see everywhere ICR18650HE2???
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Post by dafellon on Apr 29, 2015 14:26:32 GMT
It's not really the value I'm concerned with otherwise I'd get all my batteries from Fasttech. I am however now more confused, "HEs"? Meaning any battery from the LGHE series? I'm under the impression the HE2 is an ICR?
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 21:35:33 GMT
This is a recommendation for the DNA40? Is this also the case for parallel? Does parallel only draw from one battery's amp rating when in a regulated device, whilst still able to double the MAH capacity? (Does that make sense?)
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 21:30:22 GMT
It'll work, but there are other, safer batteries that would work better. I'd personally recommend buy a couple of 25Rs if I had the sig. Now were getting somewhere. So would you recommend the 25R over HE4 or just for that device or any other series mod or regulated device?Mistakes happen - it's definitely an ICR. Based on the discussion, it's a pretty big mistake?HE4's chem?
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 21:16:04 GMT
HAHA what were you watching?
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 20:40:03 GMT
dafellon I would agree with all the points Ripshod raised and like to address 2 points you raised: "The MAH rating is what is of interest for this battery" I would say this is the least important, you need to ensure that the battery is capable for the application and in e-cigs the maximum continuous discharge rate and safety should be addressed first. "Unprotected ICR!! Why is this relevant? What do you mean by unprotected?" ICR is the chemical type (more family) of the battery (anode chemistry), it is a cheap type of battery optimised for capacity and not safety or output current, Panasonic often have a graphic showing this on their data-sheets. But more importantly for us if they go into thermal runaway they are far more violent than IMR/safer chemistry and have a point of no return where the chemical reaction that can cause flaming etc will continue even if the condition which started it is rectified. I would only use ICR in quality low power regulated devices < 15 W, I have some in power banks but never use them for vaping. From a Panasonic NCR18650B data-sheet. IMR in the top-left (safest), Cobalt based (ICR) and Nickel based (NCR/NNP) along the bottom (least safe) Unprotected simply means the is not protection module on the battery, these can fail or get damaged by static so should never rely on only these to ensure your safety. If you want to learn more there are lots of links at the bottom of the last page of the guide in my footer. Thanks for this and the links. However, still not seeing a reason just now as to why I should not use either the first or second battery in a dual parallel 30/40w device? The DNA40 will in fact accept any battery, it just limits the capability to that of the battery, or so I'm led to believe, but why with dual parallel LGMJ11's would I not be able to utilize the device to its full potential? Colour me ignorant gents.
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 20:32:28 GMT
Without actually placing an order, or signing up with Battery Bro a buyer wouldn't know. Honey trap? I simply read the description without signing up or contacting them to deduce that they do not have nor can they obtain 'VTC5's' but I accept you disagree.Without trawling their results I can say with surety that when tested the ICR18650HD2 proves itself unsuitable for vaping because of it's high IR (internal resistance). The voltage sag when used at 20Amps is borderline - as in any higher amps and a mod would refuse to fire with the 'weak battery', or 'power short' warning. The battery is indeed rated at 25Amps, but it takes more than a high rating to make a battery suitable. To clarify, this battery would be categorically incompatible with say a 'Sig 100'?You're raising great points here dafellon, and we're into the stuff that normally doesn't get discussed here but does need to be considered. Especially since I seem to be missing some detrimental information. I also agree with the underlined below. A lot can be chalked up to user error however. You ever flicked the Volt switch on the back of a PC tower? Nearly pissed my pants!!!My personal bias against this battery is that it's an ICR. Even a 'protected' ICR battery can blow as any electronics can go wrong, even a protection circuit. Dampfakkus also claimed the HD2 is an IMR?
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Post by dafellon on Apr 28, 2015 8:59:21 GMT
I do find your remark regarding the VTC5, and me simply basing credibility on that fact that they are showing as 'in stock' interesting. Anyone showing VTC5s in stock, no matter who they are should be regarded with a massive spoonful of doubt. ETA: In the meantime you can entertain yourself here: dampfakkus.de/A pretty large DBase, but check out the test results - shows the difference between specs and real-life. My point was that battery bro do not state that they have this battery in stock. Battery Bro 'VTC5' listing and this would strongly suggest they have not supplied it since at least December; Blog postI was also saying P-Vaper DO NOT have them in stock but like a lot of vendors still have a listing for them. Dampfakkus is a valuable resource, I agree. Not sure why you pointed this out? FYI fourth battery listed had these stats on dampfakkus; Marke, Bezeichnung / Link zu Details, Form Kap. lt. Hersteller, Real Kap. (2A bis 3V), Max A, Chemie, Protected, Top, Maße in mm, Bild, Kurven. LG ICR18650HD2, 18650, 2000mAh, 1897mAh, 25.0, IMR, Nein, Flat, 18.5*65.2, 2A 3A 5A States 25A Max, as listed, as suspected. They have a graph for it being tested at 20A, nowhere does it state this was due to it being the max continuous discharge? TFTL .
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Post by dafellon on Apr 27, 2015 21:44:58 GMT
$56 including shipping for 4 batteries !!! Thats £36 you can get 4 LG HE2 or Samsung INR 25R's for far less than that locally. Not local to me unfortunately. I completely agree that they are overpriced but I genuinely believe battery quality is going to be better than from most vendors. I want them DeWalt batteries not Dell haha.
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