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Post by nick0dean on Mar 12, 2010 17:43:30 GMT
Maybe Foxy can post a link.....I`m afraid I deleted everything in disgust!! Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Mar 12, 2010 17:31:21 GMT
I have just read a document which is, supposedly, an appeal to the U.K. Health Secretary regarding the potential ban of electronic `cigarettes`in the United Kingdom. No doubt many other Forum Members will also have seen this.
I`m afraid that, in this case, an over-enthusiastic & commercially-involved person , by the presentation of a badly-written (almost incomprehensible!) document, has almost certainly severely damaged the chances of the proposed ban on electronic nicotine-delivery systems (e-cigs) being overturned!. Rather than mention that our favoured alternative to smoking tobacco contains only pharmeceutical nicotine + a glycerine compound (which is often found in eye-drops & stage `smoke` machines).....he has launched into a full-scale request for tobacco-containing products to be totally-banned & completely omits to emphasise the fact that e-cigs do not contain ANY tobacco-derived substances .....any more than aspirin is no longer produced from willow leaves!. Pure pharmeceutical nicotine is currently freely available (without prescription) to the general public, in the form of anti-smoking skin-patches, nicotine chewing gum , lozenges, inhalers etc. & I can see absolutely no reason why e-cigs & the substances contained therein, should be treated any differently. I did not, from a brief reading of the `appeal/advertisement`, pick-up on the fact that there is no combustion at AT ALL of the (benign) materials contained within an electronic `cigarette`, or that the vapour emitted by the user of such devices contains only steam & a small amount of harmless, odourless, non staining & non-carcinogenic clear glycerine.....the nicotine content being totally absorbed on contact with the moisture within the user`s mouth!. Unless we can clearly get these crucial facts across to `the powers that be`, then I`m very much afraid that our case will be lost forever.
If the Health Secretary were soley to read the above-mentioned appeal, he would be absolutely none the wiser as to the definite & positive advantages of our new-found alternative to smoking.
Somehow, it would be helpful for us to get across the , very valid, point that electronic cigarettes were developed in China, to benefit almost 2 billion tobacco-smokers in that country....which has NO National Health Service to alleviate the damage to public health caused by tobacco consumption!.
Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 19, 2010 17:03:20 GMT
You are dead right in your thinking Chrissie!
The situation in the Licenced Trade is absolutely dire & currently, in England, 39 pubs are closing each week (latest figure). I am an ex-licencee & can explain the death of our greatest national institution/tourist attraction quite simply.
When the smoking ban was first proposed, the Government suggested that whilst around 30% of the adult population were tobacco-smokers, they had a duty to protect the remaining 70%.....fair enough, you might think.
They COMPLETELY overlooked the fact that over 75% of PUB-REGULARS were smokers!!......call it due to `addictive personalities` or whatever...... my own research at the time (in my own pub & others) proved that figure to be an absolute minimum.
When the Bill was debated in Parliament, the 612 of our alleged `representatives` (i.e. MP`s).....(most of whom were largely in favour of a ban on smoking in public places anyway).... could not believe the support it received & proceeded to make the ban far more draconian than was ever originally envisaged.....even daring to encompass Private Members Clubs (which are actually wholly-owned by their members) & thus cutting-off the last escape-route for pub-going smokers!. Many of these people now smoke at home, to the detriment of their children, whereas in the past, they could `go down the pub for a fag & a pint with their mates`!
I fear that we are now witnessing exactly the same mentality regarding the proposed ban on e-cigs/nicotine inhalators. As we all know, there is absolutely no common-sense difference between our chosen electronic alternative to smoking & nicotine patches, chewing gums, lozenges etc. (except that `Big Brother` obviously hates to be defeated or circumvented!.
I fervently hope that the next Government takes a far more enlightened view, although I won`t hold my breath.....(something I have recently been able to do quite easily, for some strange reason!).
Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 17, 2010 15:57:23 GMT
Glad to hear some places (other than my local pub) are permitting `vaping`!
However, in a larger venue......especially if the manager is a non-smoker..... I suspect that it will be too much bother for them to differentiate: it`s so much easier just to ban things.
In my experience so far, it is all too often the `fag-smokers` who are most likely to create a fuss....they simply cannot stand the sight of someone vaping inside a `public place`......(a pub is not, by law, a public place by the way!).....when they are forced to stand outside in the cold & rain to have a cigarette.
I guess a lot of folk on here are going to place huge orders for atomisers, batteries, cartridges & juice well before the expected ban comes into force!
In the meantime I`m just off to order the juice Foxy recommended earlier.
Cheers for now, Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 16, 2010 17:15:45 GMT
Hi Chrissie!
Everything is fine with me; although I`m still smoking regular cigs most of the time. I use my E-cigs Classic when I`m in places when it`s not possible to smoke normally & also (as I mentioned previously) when I`m sunk in an armchair, digesting dinner & watching TV....on the few evenings when I`m not working.
I`ve still not learned, absolutely, just how long a newly-juiced cartridge should last, but I`m estimating something like 6/7 fags-worth......which is around the amount of use my Classic is getting per day. The battery life seems fine for this daily useage.
I guess that relying on these units alone would require a bit more effort, but the absence of tobacco aftertaste, sore throat & occasional coughing.....plus the obvious cash-savings.....should more than compensate for the 25% reduction in `smoking-pleasure` I experience with E-cigs.
Like all of you, I am absolutely outraged that such a sensible alternative to the `weed` is likely to be banned & will do all in my power/ join in all your efforts to prevent this from happening.
My local pub manager actually said to me this lunchtime, that he wished he could sell similar (possibly disposable) units to his customers.......& I had to remind him that, if such a thing took-off & vaping became commonplace in the pub, that he would have the (impossible) task of differentiating between smokers & vapers!.
Naturally, I did not mention the impending ban to him & have also resisted the temptation to make money by selling (or recommending) the equipment to the few customers who have noticed me vaping......I tend to do this very discreetly in any case......as I`ve a sickening feeling that the whole thing is simply too good to last & that he would have to change his viewpoint if any customers complained!.
C`est la vie!
Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 16, 2010 11:53:43 GMT
Thanks for all the excellent info guys......very much appreciated! Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 12, 2010 17:32:36 GMT
Hi Penny (sorry) "Foxy"...DOH!
Thanks for the welcome Guys!.... I`ve yet to fully-explore the Forum-content & I`m sure all my queries will be fully-answered therein....(don`t panic Scylla!).
I thought, in my ignorance, that E-cigs 2.4% juices were about max. nicotine content.... this seems fine to me, strengthwise, anyway. It`s just that, after a 3 hour pub-session (where perhaps I`ve gone outside for a couple of real fags & vaped for what would have been the other 2) I find that my (Classic E-cig) needs more & more pulls to get the full `drag`at home in the evening.
I think the battery life is o.k. (I charge on a one-off-one-on basis daily) but 4 or 5 E-juice drops onto a once-or-twice-used cartridge does not to seem enough to last the rest of the day. Maybe someone could advise me how often to wash-out & dry the fabric/ how many times just adding more juice will suffice.....i.e. I`m unsure as to whether the cartridges are truly re-fillable or not.
Regarding flavours, I, like most smokers I meet, don`t particularly like the after-taste of real tobacco & although I`ve never enjoyed menthol fags, the E-cigs "minty menthol" flavour is a distinct improvement over normal & I`m hoping to find a stronger peppermint-flavoured juice which will, maybe, even rid me of the smell & aftertaste of Real Ale.....(`evening Officer)!. .....Ever the optimist, I hear my sister mumbling disapprovingly!.
Anyway, back to the Forums, Nick.
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Post by nick0dean on Feb 11, 2010 17:10:36 GMT
As I am now a confirmed `vaper`, my sister (Foxy on here) urged me to join the Community. Just a little background; Sis introduced me to E-cigs a couple of months ago & I have a Classic Starter Pack + a 15ml. drip-bottle of 2.4 high-strength `juice`(mint/menthol flavour). I use the above (discreetly) at my local pub & the manager/staff are cool about this......it`s also an advantage not to have to lean out of the window (of my 2nd. floor flat) to enjoy `smoking` at home!. However, I still smoke regular `fags` most of the time, as, at the moment, the electronic unit only provides about 75% of my normal pleasure......not knowing when to put it down is a factor.....thank God I don`t drink at home!). I`m still working-out when simply to add juice to the cartridge & when to wash/dry the fabric `element` & re-soak with fluid. I`ve already signed one petition (on E-cigs site) as I was horrified to discover that my new-found escape-route from the smoking ban may well be short-lived!!. Anyway, I`m now off to explore all the Topics/Posts on the site....& find out how to incorporate cannabis oil into my juice.....only (half) joking LOL! Cheers for now, Nick.
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