Confused with the sweetener and vodka

[genguskhan]

As I’m still new at this mixing thing I’m getting a bit confused with the sweetener and vodka. I’m not sure how much to put in my mixes for best effect, is 1% 10%? I’m using mostly UK Flavours flavouring at the moment. Some taste okay while others are well are down the sink

[lairey]

1% to start with genguskhan, although neither are mandatory

[genguskhan]

Apr 2, 2015 11:26:07 GMT lairey said:

1% to start with genguskhan, although neither are mandatory

Thanks lairey I've been putting nearly 10% in of both Do I need both or is it one or the other?

Edit: Think I have my ml and % mixed up

[lairey]

You don't necessarily need either genguskhan. I would suggest mixing a small sample of a recipe without either and then if not sweet enough, add sweetener. The vodka is something a few of us use. I use it to pre-dilute my VG to make it easier to work with. The side benefit of this is that it tends to add just a little je ne sais quoi to the mix, maybe adding a little body... really hard to explain...

[genguskhan]

Thanks lairey

I have a very sweet tooth so I like my fruits bursting if you know what I mean Will add smaller amounts next time

[Q]

Apr 2, 2015 12:47:38 GMT genguskhan said:

Thanks lairey

I have a very sweet tooth so I like my fruits bursting if you know what I mean Will add smaller amounts next time

So do I but I've never used sweetener OR vodka in ANY of mine, and they have turned out fine.

Dont use it unless you know it needs it

[clairea]

i thought vodka just thinned out vg wouldn't have thought it would be a sweetner

[lairey]

Apr 2, 2015 13:23:38 GMT clairea said:

i thought vodka just thinned out vg wouldn't have thought it would be a sweetner

It's not a sweetener clairea but it does add a little body to a "flat" juice.

[phtumshk]

Ive often found PG to be bitter, the more added the more sweetener needed to mask it IMO.

[Perpetua]

The more sweetener you use in a mix . . . the quicker your coils will also gunge up genguskhan as it caramelises when heated.

So don't go too mad sweetening, otherwise you'll also be spending your time re-coiling!

What PG/VG ratio's are you mixing at out of interest.

[archiecat]

Sure your right Perpetua, as a big fan of your vanilla custard recipe, I have to change the wick every refill anyway, that's with a Kayfun about 2.5ml I guess.
My mixes are a bit dull, I have sweetener, Dulce de Leche and Vanillin, in my hoard but have no idea what to do with any of them.
I see recipes that say 1% of one of the above should be used, can 1% make any discernible difference?

[Perpetua]

Apr 2, 2015 15:34:26 GMT archiecat said:

Sure your right Perpetua, as a big fan of your vanilla custard recipe, I have to change the wick every refill anyway, that's with a Kayfun about 2.5ml I guess.

That's a drawback with many of the Custard type vapes Archie, I'd guess the flavours themselves also contain sweetener, so any extra added, contribute to the gunkage.

I keep mine for Protanks & Drippers which my meagre recoiling skills can cope with for regular recoiling, every couple of days usually.

Capella's Cake Batter is another, I like it by itself - one tank full and my coil has had it though.

Apr 2, 2015 15:34:26 GMT archiecat said:

My mixes are a bit dull, I have sweetener, Dulce de Leche and Vanillin, in my hoard but have no idea what to do with any of them.
I see recipes that say 1% of one of the above should be used, can 1% make any discernible difference?

The short answer is yes, I think.

Any of those can add just a little extra depth/roundness to a mix . . . the finishing touch is the best way I can think to describe their effect.

Dulce de Leche we used to add to just about any flavour, don't see it used quite so much now - a little in with some fruit/coffee/caramel flavours, gives a really nice creamy taste.

[genguskhan]

Apr 2, 2015 14:11:24 GMT Perpetua said:

The more sweetener you use in a mix . . . the quicker your coils will also gunge up genguskhan as it caramelises when heated.

So don't go too mad sweetening, otherwise you'll also be spending your time re-coiling!

What PG/VG ratio's are you mixing at out of interest.

Thanks perpetua I haven't had to much problems with coils so far But have ordered a Fogger clone from FS and some pre coild wick don't know if they work with the Fogger though I mix 40/60 I find some of the liquid a bit harsh? On the good side I've dropped my Nic from 18mg to 10mg in a week

[Perpetua]

Apr 3, 2015 5:36:25 GMT genguskhan said:

 I mix 40/60 I find some of the liquid a bit harsh?

Try upping your VG ratio genguskhan . . . not only will it be less harsh, but VG has an underlying sweetness of it's own ( which PG doesn't ) so you'll have a slightly sweeter base to start from.

Which if you've a sweet tooth will probably suit your tastes.

[genguskhan]

Thanks Perpetua will try making the mix more VG will be trying Dragons Blood tonight I made some last week and finished it before it had time to steep