Dublin Report Positive news

[Get Off My Cloud]

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[lobeydosser]

From that report;-
<<< However, the health authority, which has yet to publish its final report after a public consultation, acknowledges long-term effects from the use of e-cigarettes have yet to be established. >>>

Well it took them 400 years of tobacco use before they found that cigarettes were linked to Cancer, so e-cigs have a good few years to go yet!!!!

[car147]

I still think all the niceties they are now saying about vaping is solely down to the initial fear and lies they deliberately set out to destroy vaping, when it didn't work and more folk started stating the benefits they felt health wise, panic ensued, not only with Governments, but the two main players likely to loose millions if not billions. It really makes you wonder if they can do this to vaping, what else are they up to?

Now Big P and T want their share as the writings on the wall for tobacco, and the useless nicotine replacement crap Big P dish out. So now they are having to tread carefully, give a bit of praise here and there, after all they are now a player. The bit i love is they will never get another penny from me or millions like us.

On the other hand i could be totally wrong, but hey ho.

[lobeydosser]

I was born and bred in Glasgow and I have just turned 70.
Growing up in the suburbs of that fair city, there was a Newsagent selling papers and tobacco on every corner. These days they sell papers and magazines and if they do still sell tobacco products, these are behind a closed screen.
In the city centre where I worked in my teens and early 20's, there was a tobacconist on every corner with many different types of pipe tobacco, tins and packets of cigarettes and jars of different strengths and flavours of snuff. These tobacconist shops have long since disappeared completely.

These changes are nothing to do with TDP, governments or E-cigs. The public's perception of smoking and its related by-products are changing and E-cigs are just part of that change.
Joe Public thinks that vaping on an e-cig is the same as smoking and has no idea that it is different or less harmful and what is more, from our point of view, doesn't really care. Smoking is smoking, no matter what we may say.

While it is good to read statements like the Dublin report, we are the only crowd to take it to heart and think anything good about it. The vast majority of folks out there will never see it, or if they do, have no interest in it.

Out there, there is a general downer on anything smoking related and unfortunately the only time Joe Public will read and take an interest in anything e-cig related is when it is something sensational, like a battery smoking on a bus full of passengers where it causes a major incident. In other words, some bad news about e-cigs.
This is something we will just have to put up with.

[Bobsbeer]

I agree with you, although if I'm honest I don't really care what others think about vaping. I know what it's done for me, and that's enough. I do feel sorry for those who are put off e cigs due to misinformation, but I don't think that's a major issue. When I smoked I enjoyed it. I wasn't ready to change, then one day I decided to take the bit by the teeth and switched. In a way it was a heath issue, but not a smoking related health issue, that convinced me to switch. Although again if I'm honest, I would still be smoking if it wasn't for e cigs and information on here. I would be a liar if I said I didn't know the risks of smoking, I did, but that first fag of the day was bloody good, and the risk was dismissed. When people are ready they will switch regardless of the nay sayers.

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Jan 5, 2017 22:46:18 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I agree with you, although if I'm honest I don't really care what others think about vaping. I know what it's done for me, and that's enough. I do feel sorry for those who are put off e cigs due to misinformation, but I don't think that's a major issue. When I smoked I enjoyed it. I wasn't ready to change, then one day I decided to take the bit by the teeth and switched. In a way it was a heath issue, but not a smoking related health issue, that convinced me to switch. Although again if I'm honest, I would still be smoking if it wasn't for e cigs and information on here. I would be a liar if I said I didn't know the risks of smoking, I did, but that first fag of the day was bloody good, and the risk was dismissed. When people are ready they will switch regardless of the nay sayers.

Biggest problem of course, is if there will be anything left to switch too. If some in positions of power and influence get their way all that'll be available new, will be low nic cig-alikes and their ilk and then possibly only on prescription. And we know from experience how ineffective these are.

[Bobsbeer]

I think vaping has come too far to kill it. Too many people vape. However much damage has been done. In my view, from a new vaper point of view, the drop to 18/20mg nic strength will be the big issue. Yes we have all stocked up to last us into the next century with 72mg, but new comers will be stuck with starting at 18mg. I started at 30mg so nearly double. I know we are all different and for some 18mg will work, but for many it will create failure and send them back to smoking. The bottle size and tank size are more an inconvenience, not a killer. The nic strength is the killer.

[lobeydosser]

Jan 5, 2017 22:46:18 GMT Bobsbeer said:

I agree with you, although if I'm honest I don't really care what others think about vaping.

The problem is that it is precisely what "other people think about vaping" that does matter because it is these "other people" who will ultimately decide what laws are passed with regards to smoking and e-cigs.

We all know that the research that decide the TDP was flawed and dishonest and I have no doubt that any future rulings will be equally got at by those who can see their profits hit by the continued growth of vaping.

Yes we are a large body of vapers but the vast majority of nicotine users in the UK are still the smokers and the damage against them has already been done by a long standing and continual anti-smoking campaign. 

We are next on the hit list by the anti brigade unless we can convince the Other People that vaping is NOT smoking and that it is considerably safer for both the vaper and those in close proximity to a vaper.  

I have seen a proposal in the SNP Manifesto that will be put forward to the Scottish Government to ban all smoking in all Public Places by 2030.

Do Public Places mean out in the street? I wouldn't be surprised and I bet your bottom dollar that by then, that will include Vaping.

[jtc]

Jan 5, 2017 21:38:29 GMT lobeydosser said:

From that report;-
<<< However, the health authority, which has yet to publish its final report after a public consultation, acknowledges long-term effects from the use of e-cigarettes have yet to be established. >>>

Well it took them 400 years of tobacco use before they found that cigarettes were linked to Cancer, so e-cigs have a good few years to go yet!!!!

400 years ay
Well I think science has come a long way since then and yes time will tell the bigger picture but I expect there to be some serious analysing going on.
As well as some serious tax being taken

[Bobsbeer]

Money will be the deciding factor not health in the ecig war. If the powers at be think they can tax the shit out of it they will be all over it like a rash on a leper. Politicians are not rational human beings. They are devoid of a brain.

[VapingBad]

History will show how many lives those lies and misinformation cost and I hope it names and shames those who knew better.

Sure I knew smoking was bad for you when I started, but nobody in their right hold mind me responsible for decisions I took before I was a teenager.  It didn't stop them taxing me much more than decent pension would cost and turning me into a pariah. Just let me be, let me finally escape the consequences of that stupid decisions I made at 11 or 12, I make far better decisions now.