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Post by womble on May 8, 2012 22:29:08 GMT
Dropshipping only generally works when you don't know where to buy the merchandise in the first place yourself, or you have to buy in quantity. Neither really apply in this case. As for you saying that you will refund if something is broken only, but it's impossible for it to be broken....... are you really expecting anyone here to buy anything from you with those terms..... no way, it just won't happen. And from any other forum in the UK, if they don't read the terms and something goes wrong, then you will be lambasted. Healthcabin for example, have an excellent customer service record, if something is wrong, they fix it. They don't try to wriggle out of it before they've even sold anything. I do wish you luck in your new venture jorge, I just feel you need to rethink it. At least where AAEC prospective customers are concerned. Oh and generally we prefer vendors to take on board any criticisms and try to at least address them with an open mind.
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 7:49:43 GMT
Womble, please let's stop it. a) I'm not going to explain this again - "As for you saying that you will refund if something is broken only, but it's impossible for it to be broken" - because I already have. It's in the thread. And in the TOS for anybody who can understand. Suppliers don't have to be people with bad intentions (it's not even in their best interest) and just the same everybody knows there are loads of "dangerous customers" around the world. Would you agree and do you realize that a supplier/vendor must protect himself? Or would you prefer it if I didn't make anything clear and then simply pretended nothing was happening if something actrually happened? It would be much easier for me to sell something like that, you know... b) "And from any other forum in the UK, if they don't read the terms and something goes wrong, then you will be lambasted" - I hope you noticed how unlike every other supplier I clearly told everyone to read the TOS - and I probably happen to have the most readable TOS I have seen so far; of course, I haven't taken a look at every TOS there are but I'm guessing and I'm probably right. I even have that "Important - read before you buy!" thing for all to see and I'm certain you've never seen anything like that anywhere else. c) "Oh and generally we prefer vendors to take on board any criticisms and try to at least address them with an open mind" - how much more open should I be when I'm doing the best prices and giving the best explanations I possibly can? And how nicer should I be when I'm clearly bombarded as I've never seen anywhere else by people to whom I never caused any kind of loss whatsoever? Thanks for wishing me luck. I understand your concerns but, let me say this just from a personal perspective, throughout the thread I've been shown a couple of well chosen examples (in spite of the copycat example, which leaves us with one example) of better deals; still, as a vaper myself, I'm aware of the general conditions and prices (also of how, for instance, freeshipping works and I was sad to see Misteliquid disappear probably because of that, even if vendors have to get their posting money some place) , both of products and of the shipping, including in the UK. I've often paid very different prices from the ones shown here, namely from the UK, with rather excessive shipping costs at times as well. Furthermore, it takes a week for a product to get from the UK to Portugal for some reason I'm not really familiar with. When I buy something, I never buy it because it's cheap, I buy it because I want it. I also buy from China - specific things. Healthcabin is nice, I agree. I buy a few things there myself - because they have some things that I want and because I plan ahead. But if you buy frtom HC I assure you you will have to wait double of what you may expect from me - the reason is their orders seem to travel around China before getting to the airport and maybe, just maybe they aren't that well related in the airport when compared to my supplier. PLus, maybe I shouldn't mention this, but it makes sense and I'll say it as a vaper and a customer: do you remember when recently they decided to tell the world their shipping costs had risen due to the sudden rise in the prices of the Chinese Registered Airmail and then had to simply get back on that as if nothing had happened in between? You do not have to buy from me. The part about getting things the next day I can understand. Put yourself in my shoes if you can: how much more open should I be? Peace.
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Post by Brian on May 9, 2012 8:17:56 GMT
That told you Womble #icon_rofl# #icon_rofl#
If i was in a shop and the shopkeeper told me, he was`nt interested in my opinion of his selling policies, I dont think I`d buy very much off him.
So glad Ive a choice where I shop.
BTW. They might be well chosen examples, But is`nt that what shopping is? Shopping around for best prices...?
Is your intention to alienate everyone on here? Because you are making a good attempt!
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 8:49:43 GMT
I'm not giving any more explanations as long as someone comes along and distorts everything I say. And no, shopping may be that for you. To me it's about a series of things, otherwise I'd only buy garbage because it was cheap. Despite the laughing smilies, this isn't funny anywhere in the world, not even in the UK. I don't owe you anything. What makes you think I do? Quite frankly, I've never seem this kind of thing anywhere and I've seen lots of stuff. So...
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Post by womble on May 9, 2012 9:04:55 GMT
Put yourself in my shoes if you can: how much more open should I be? Peace. Well generally the way it works, is that the vendor tries to put himself in the shoes of the consumer, not the other way round. Anyway, I wish you luck, from my personal perspective, unless you start listening to prospective customers, you're going to need it.
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 9:12:24 GMT
I'm not your slave and you're totally free to buy or not to buy, I'm not pushing anything on you. By the way, I made a few changes to the replacements part just so that it may become clearer. Finally, I know this is not what a vendor would say, but you won't be buying anything anyway, so: don't you have more constructive things to do?
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Post by Brian on May 9, 2012 9:18:58 GMT
Just because you have made us all aware of, to read, and used readable TOS. Does`nt mean that they are going to be acceptable to us.
You`ve come to a British forum, to try and sell us Chinese goods, that you do not even come into contact with, as they are shipped direct to us. Then accept no liability for non working or damaged goods.
How do you know they are in good working order when you dont package and test them yourself.
Personally i would`nt touch your products, and I now doubt that anyone would either.
Good day Sir.
Wanna smilie to help you out the door?
#Tease-smiley#
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 9:22:16 GMT
I've explained myself a hundred times now.
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Post by womble on May 9, 2012 9:28:45 GMT
I've explained myself a hundred times now. And so have the people on here, but obviously you aren't listening. While I don't like my vendors to be pushovers and yes men. I also don't like them to be bone headed and to tell me to go and do something more constructive with my time, especially after I gave up that time to try and advise them what was wrong with their business model. So, goodbye.
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 9:30:16 GMT
Goodbye. I tried my best. I'm doing my best. And you have no idea how much work and negotiating is behind it all. It seems *you* haven't been willing to listen. This is totally regrettable.
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 9:35:53 GMT
I'd like to add, in all fairness, that even though this thread has been corrupted, the forum has many more members than the ones that showed here in a continuous manner. Everyone's still very welcome if they think some of our products suit them and will certainly be well treated - as friends.
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Post by Brian on May 9, 2012 9:45:38 GMT
Can i have a ruling from a mod please.
Ive just received an insulting PM from this vendor, and want clarification if i am permitted to post the details here?
I dont know if anyone else has been PM`d by this obnoxious person, but i warn you not to cross him.......
I dont think i can avoid his thread on UKV any longer..
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 10:28:22 GMT
Can I have a ruling from a mod, please, as well? PMs are PMs and are nowhere allowed to be publicly shown in any forums I'm aware of. Plus the "insulting" term used by this person is subjective. He, as well as a few other members, have chosen me as a target to publicly sabotage my chances of ever doing any worthwhile selling at AAEC. I have explained as much as I can explain over and over and over and some people, namely and probably mostly brianfletch, still aren't satisfied. I haven't PMd anyone else because nobody else deserved it the same way he did - I don't spend my time PMing people with "insults" (note the brackets) unless there is a fairly good reason. No, I really don't spend my time sending "insulting" PMs to people. I don't think brianfletch is using of good faith and all I want is to be left alone. If you think I haven't been outrageously sabotaged by people, namely and mostly brianfletch, who haven't got a clue as to how much work and thought have been put behind Amazing Vape and how much patience I have to have to put up calmly with the kind of posts I got, please contact me and ban me. If you agree that something very wrong went on here, that I've never seen happening anywhere else, I'd even ask you to give a warning to brianfletch but no, all I ask is to let this incredible thing stop - because I'm sure he can' go on and on and on. This is seriously disgusting, I'm sorry to say. Never before seen. Now, please, allow me to quote myself, since I'm not such an idiot as to think everybody here is brianfletch: I'd like to add, in all fairness, that even though this thread has been corrupted, the forum has many more members than the ones that showed here in a continuous manner. Everyone's still very welcome if they think some of our products suit them and will certainly be well treated - as friends.
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Post by jorge on May 9, 2012 10:43:34 GMT
I dont think i can avoid his thread on UKV any longer.. Just one more thing: this clearly shows the kind of person brianfletch is. I had a very peaceful, friendly thread at UK Vapers and he took his time to go there and bring the link/subject from a different forum, claiming he was "threatened".
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Post by Brian on May 9, 2012 11:00:05 GMT
I dont feel i need to justify myself to you, but i told you yesterday that i had seen your thread on UKV, but i had refrained from commenting on there.
I then receive a nasty PM from you, Which i have NOT posted here.
I felt that due to this PM, it was something that the members of UKV should be informed of.
I hasten to add, I did not C&P the details of your spiteful PM. However, should anyone ask to see what you wrote, I may pm it.
If you care to read through the entire details of this thread, you will see that far from being vindictive to you, or sabotaging your thread, I along with many others, were simply advising you that your pricing structure is not suitable to AAE-C members.
In fact, I would go so far as to say, UK vapers would`nt be interested in your company.
Answer away if you wish, but i believe you are digging a bigger hole for yourself.
Good day Sir.
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