Hi Guys!

[Scylla]

Feb 16, 2010 17:15:45 GMT nick0dean said:

my Classic

The Classic holds more juice than most other "standard" e-cigs, but it is a rather weak/mild draw. You might have got more satisfaction with a 901 or 510, so when you're thinking of or needing to (it won't last for ever) replacing the Classic...

My local pub manager... would have the (impossible) task of differentiating between smokers & vapers!

Not if he sells e-cigs with blue/green/pink LEDs

Thanks for the PR work, Nicko

scylla

[Chrissie]

Foxy is right, quite a few pubs/nightclubs (especially in London) sell e-cigs.

[nick0dean]

Glad to hear some places (other than my local pub) are permitting `vaping`!

However, in a larger venue......especially if the manager is a non-smoker..... I suspect that it will be too much bother for them to differentiate: it`s so much easier just to ban things.

In my experience so far, it is all too often the `fag-smokers` who are most likely to create a fuss....they simply cannot stand the sight of someone vaping inside a `public place`......(a pub is not, by law, a public place by the way!).....when they are forced to stand outside in the cold & rain to have a cigarette.

I guess a lot of folk on here are going to place huge orders for atomisers, batteries, cartridges & juice well before the expected ban comes into force!

In the meantime I`m just off to order the juice Foxy recommended earlier.

Cheers for now,
Nick.

[Chrissie]

Nicko, it was in a round about way due to a pub allowing e-cigs that I first heard of them. It was the beginning of July 2008 - a year to the day that the smoking ban came in. West Country news filmed a group of people sitting round a table in a pub in Devon & they all appeared to be smoking

To cut a long story short, they explained it was an electronic cigarette & the smokers where thrilled with it - so was the landlord as his pub was busy again. Plus the other customers in the pub didn't mind at all when it was explained to them.

The next day I googled e-cigarettes & a few days later I got my first e-cig. A super-mini RN4081 that I bought from Pillbox via eBay.

[nick0dean]

You are dead right in your thinking Chrissie!

The situation in the Licenced Trade is absolutely dire & currently, in England, 39 pubs are closing each week (latest figure).
I am an ex-licencee & can explain the death of our greatest national institution/tourist attraction quite simply.

When the smoking ban was first proposed, the Government suggested that whilst around 30% of the adult population were tobacco-smokers, they had a duty to protect the remaining 70%.....fair enough, you might think.

They COMPLETELY overlooked the fact that over 75% of PUB-REGULARS were smokers!!......call it due to `addictive personalities` or whatever...... my own research at the time (in my own pub & others) proved that figure to be an absolute minimum.

When the Bill was debated in Parliament, the 612 of our alleged `representatives` (i.e. MP`s).....(most of whom were largely in favour of a ban on smoking in public places anyway).... could not believe the support it received & proceeded to make the ban far more draconian than was ever originally envisaged.....even daring to encompass Private Members Clubs (which are actually wholly-owned by their members) & thus cutting-off the last escape-route for pub-going smokers!.
Many of these people now smoke at home, to the detriment of their children, whereas in the past, they could `go down the pub for a fag & a pint with their mates`!

I fear that we are now witnessing exactly the same mentality regarding the proposed ban on e-cigs/nicotine inhalators.
As we all know, there is absolutely no common-sense difference between our chosen electronic alternative to smoking & nicotine patches, chewing gums, lozenges etc. (except that `Big Brother` obviously hates to be defeated or circumvented!.

I fervently hope that the next Government takes a far more enlightened view, although I won`t hold my breath.....(something I have recently been able to do quite easily, for some strange reason!).

Nick.

[foxy9212]

Absolutely Nick: People used to go to the pub for their booze and fags purely for recreational purposes and, therefore, the e-cigarette came about so that smokers would be able to continue with their 'recreation.' They didn't smoke in pubs simply because they were addicts grouping together, they did so for the camaraderie that seems to be so unpopular in some circles. Any addiction smokers have could be equally satisfied at home.

Are e-cigarettes considered by some not to be 'recreational' because they're thought/alleged to be possibly harmful in some way and, therefore, should be banned for their users own physical health? If this is the case we should say goodbye to any kind of racing, climbing, diving or other 'dangerous' recreational sports; they shouldn't be considered a recreational activity because they may kill the participants themselves or, indeed, innocent bystanders. To date I've heard nothing of injuries caused by vaping (other than my hand when struggling to remove a kiddy-cap from my e-juice).

It is perfectly in order for adults to drink themselves to oblivion in pubs, step outside and be run down by passing vehicles, thus causing pain and misery to their families and those unfortunate drivers who squash them to raspberry jam on the road!

It's OK for young adults to have a rollicking good evening in the pub, returning home under the affluence of inkahol, kicking seven bells out of each other, anyone who looks at them "funny" or vandalize cars, window boxes and hanging baskets - that's to be expected isn't it because that's what drinking to excess does, it blocks inhibitions and alcohol is perfectly legal even though the behaviour it might cause is not. I'm certainly not aware that vaping affects inhibitions in any way.

I read part of a recent report that stated e-cigarettes produce a film that is poisonous and can stick to surfaces inside buildings. This film allegedly will kill any little children who lick the surfaces upon which it collects. This, of course, is a factor associated with cigarette smoke but no such tests have ever been carried out on nicotine vapour, it's purely theoretical and those with greater knowledge than I have given this the lie as the chemical reaction necessary to cause such a poisonous film is not present in nicotine vapour. The misinformation goes on it seems.

One little 'test' of my own is to wipe around the electric de-ionizers I have around my home. When I was a smoker the area immediately round them was regularly filthy and sticky - all I'm finding now is a little dust. These are very efficient little gadgets that draw impurities from the air toward them; the purpose is to clean the air in a room and now, it would seem, they're not 'finding' the tar and other muck that they did previously. This is a very good sign - it's almost worth redecorating now!

Fox

[Scylla]

I used to get grey-black patches on the wall behind my ioniser - and being a lazy so-and-so, my cleaning efforts left huge grey patches with clean patches in the middle of them because one should have cleaned the whole wall...

scylla

[Chrissie]

I think it's such a shame that more pubs didn't look into promoting the e-cig on their premises. For starters, it may have saved many of them from having to close. Secondly, a heck of a lot more people might now be vaping & thirdly, it may have resulted in the MHRA & the government having to take into account the extra impact there would have been if they ban the e-cig.

[Scylla]

Hear hear!!!

And astute publicans would have sold e-cigs as loss leaders, instead of at the premium prices most of them do charge, so they may have saved their businesses and expanded the vaping community by leaps and bounds and there'd be million-man marches protesting at HM Gov's current attitude and proposals.

That's me in delirium after being up all night

scylla

[Chrissie]

(((Scylla))) you are right though. It would have made a huge difference all round.