ITHAKA PRE-SALES START MONDAY!

[vapee]

imeo invents some pretty cool stuff tho, like not just the look of it, i was lookin thru the old gg forum posts and didnt know but he once made a mini gg, around the size of a cig-a-like, like ages ago heh

[davie]

But the problem is if you pay high prices then they just get higher.
I could afford this easy but would not buy it as i dont believe it warrants such a high price.
How much of a mark up do you think they make on these things.
I do think the Chinese will soon have the same build quality and sell for much less.
I truly believe that if we all continue to pay these stupid high prices then vaping will become to expensive. But thats just my opinion.

[Gordy]

but china dont have the design ...so you could say if people like me dont buy these then the progress of e-cigs will slow

[bennyboy]

Quality, performance, design, innovation, aesthetics, features, capacity to name a few. Plus the hobby side of it. Once you are in the region of paying higher prices for higher end gear, it starts to become the norm. Not everyone's idea of a hobby as such, but if you were to check out a few other websites, you could easily branch out and embrace the world of mods

[Perpetua]

Dec 15, 2012 19:05:11 GMT davie said:

But the problem is if you pay high prices then they just get higher.
I could afford this easy but would not buy it as i dont believe it warrants such a high price.
How much of a mark up do you think they make on these things.
I do think the Chinese will soon have the same build quality and sell for much less.
I truly believe that if we all continue to pay these stupid high prices then vaping will become to expensive. But thats just my opinion.

It probably does warrant the price, as Imeo puts a piece of his soul into his designs and you are virtually purchasing a bespoke item . . . that the Chinese not matter how clever they are, can only imitate, it's whether that imitation is sufficient to satisfy your particular itch Davie.

On this occasion, I personally don't have the itch . . . but I hope all those that do, enjoy their purchase.

[Todd]

Words can not describe how much I despise the man

Yes, makes some outstanding products, I'm sitting here right now vaping on a debranded GGTS with a UFS on top and loving it

but

the way he treated folk over the preorder UK thing there, GRRR, anyway, all been said before

Oh, I won't be ordering one

[greendollar]

Dec 15, 2012 18:57:53 GMT Gordy said:

Dec 15, 2012 18:53:11 GMT davie said:

Can some one please once and for all explain to me why these things cost so much, and why do you all keep paying so much for them.
I know they dont look nice as it a bit of metal ya stick in yur mouth to vape on.
Do they really justify such a high price.
Dont just say you get a great vape from them and leave it at that as that dont work for me. i get a great vape from things that cost much less

its the same answer for anything we buy
you pay more for the product due to design, quality and performance... why do people buy a BMW when a Kia does the same job

if you are happy with what you have then you needn't worry about it ...for me this gives me what i want...sure i would like it to be cheaper but some things just cost what they do and you either pay the price or not ...simples

This is what confuses me , the difference in quality and technology between a BMW & a KIA is huge , the difference between a expensive fancy named mod & a chinese clone comes down to the finish, and the chinese seem to be catching on pretty quickly with the build quality and materials used .

[bennyboy]

Just an example - I know nothing about the AGA series by the way:

ukvapers.org/Thread-AGA-W-Worn-out

I would think an atty made by GG or any high end atty would have to be many years old before any sign of wear to the 510 connector became apparent. The materials used are always very high quality with more expensive products.

[baconandeggs]

Dec 15, 2012 20:37:43 GMT bennyboy said:

Just an example - I know nothing about the AGA series by the way:

ukvapers.org/Thread-AGA-W-Worn-out

I would think an atty made by GG or any high end atty would have to be many years old before any sign of wear to the 510 connector became apparent. The materials used are always very high quality with more expensive products.

Iv'e just seen the first picture of the Lava tube threads, i have no need to go any further as that says it all.

[VE Jason]

Dec 15, 2012 20:35:05 GMT greendollar said:

This is what confuses me , the difference in quality and technology between a BMW & a KIA is huge , the difference between a expensive fancy named mod & a chinese clone comes down to the finish, and the chinese seem to be catching on pretty quickly with the build quality and materials used .

It's not a case of catching on....they already have all of the originals to copy (I've been asked on plenty of occasions to send a Provari over etc), so they could produce them 100% like for like.

But, then money and profit play a part, so what they are producing is economical alternatives.

Not up to the standard of the originals but, at the price, a very popular alternative.

[Perpetua]

Benny, it's your money to spend as you see fit, I'm in no doubt that you and everyone else purchasing this will have a high end, quality device that you will enjoy for years to come. And, good luck to you.

I however am out, it's too much hassle for a vaping experience I can get elsewhere.

[Todd]

Dec 15, 2012 20:37:43 GMT bennyboy said:

Just an example - I know nothing about the AGA series by the way:

ukvapers.org/Thread-AGA-W-Worn-out

I would think an atty made by GG or any high end atty would have to be many years old before any sign of wear to the 510 connector became apparent. The materials used are always very high quality with more expensive products.

I'm with you all the way on the quality of some of the top end gear but personally think that example of the AGA-W is a bit suspect.

How many of these AGA things have been sold, mind boggles but that's the first issue with the threading I've seen.

Mine gets screwed on and off different mods all day and not a problem with it

[eyebrook]

The Chinese produce what they think we in the west want but they are very reactive to sensible feed back, so high end mods designed by them will appear its just a matter of time.
And their reaction time is minuscule compared to the west.
I dropped out of gg stuff because of the way the UK supplier was treated but as Todd said "enough said on that"
My problem is seeing any real difference in the iatty oddy and penny excepy for size,
and the use of 2 different wires in the coil is so stupid (IMO) it beggars belief .
I have 1 ggts ss and a ufs v1 with a patriot rebuild able atty in it , but iy doesnt get used much now because of all the gennys coming to the market

[bennyboy]

I think I may have made a bit of a boo boo with that thread. Since I read it, there has been quite a few more responses and it may just be a dodgy one....or two, or the mods the guy is using them on.

If there was a sea of Odyseuss attys out there, I would go for one of those and hold out for an Ithaka myself - see some reviews etc. But I've been on the look out for one for a while. Not had any WTB threads on here because everyone who has one really likes them and it's a keeper like the Penelope. WTB on other sites seem to just attract way over priced ones.

I've watched the videos a few times and am confident it will be another great addition to the GG range. I wasn't affected by the whole pre-sale thing, and only ordered once from Cam so can't say I was a loyal customer or anything. Not that it makes it right, of course not. I'm willing to take a chance on it.

[steve386]

Dec 15, 2012 21:57:13 GMT bennyboy said:

I think I may have made a bit of a boo boo with that thread. Since I read it, there has been quite a few more responses and it may just be a dodgy one....or two, or the mods the guy is using them on.

If there was a sea of Odyseuss attys out there, I would go for one of those and hold out for an Ithaka myself - see some reviews etc. But I've been on the look out for one for a while. Not had any WTB threads on here because everyone who has one really likes them and it's a keeper like the Penelope. WTB on other sites seem to just attract way over priced ones.

I've watched the videos a few times and am confident it will be another great addition to the GG range. I wasn't affected by the whole pre-sale thing, and only ordered once from Cam so can't say I was a loyal customer or anything. Not that it makes it right, of course not. I'm willing to take a chance on it.

I would be exactly the same. It took me ages to get my first Ody (thanks Blakey) and I've not regretted it for a moment.

I am very tempted by this one. The dual coil looks very interesting. Got to go through the vids again because I've not seen the bit about using a mesh wick.

It's just a lot harder to justify when you already have an existing Ody.