RM Ban on Lithium-Ion Batteries from Jan 14

[Clutter]

Li-ion batts have bee added to RMs list of hazardous/prohibited items effective Jan 10.

ukvapers.org/Thread-Changes-to-lithium-battery-transportation-rules-No-more-Royal-Mail

Polly gees for linking to entire thread but I'm having difficulty posting to AAEC.





ETA date to Jan 14

[boxoffrogs]

Were they trying to sneak this in over the festive period?

Can this be stickied? People may miss this over the Christmas period and we need to know to stock up.

[Perpetua]

Quote from Myhquel, a member on the forum and a RM employee . . .

" We have no idea what are in those packages. When they do open up, we really aren't that concerned with their contents.

Recently had a bottle of washer fluid leaking in the packaging. We examined the packaging, sealed the bottle with tape, put the entire package in a sealed bag, and sent it on its way.

It was after all this that we thought about the flammable label on the bottle. 'Hey', I said, 'If that is flammable it shouldn't be posted, right'? My co-manager replied 'I guess not, but it's gone now...'

For major suppliers, this will still be an issue. But if you want to send an 18650 or two to a mate, we will have no idea. "

[ChillerVapes]

How will they even be able to tell if it's packaged up? As long as the battery is fully bubble wrapped or even in a battery case, no one will be any wiser

[Mev]

I'm 99% sure RM will fall into line with everyone else and if airlines have decided it's fine as long as they're in safe packaging can't see how RM can rule otherwise.

[Clutter]

Thy have already decided otherwise it would appear

As to how they'll know the contents of parcels & enforce the ban ??? Twont bother me sending a couple of eGos for repair but I'd be more careful if I were a vendor & subject to a hefty fine &/or imprisonment

[alvoram]

How is this going to impact their business? I'd be very concerned if I was in charge at royal mail, many electronic products contain lithium ion batteries, so does this mean they will no longer ship mobile phones, laptops, tablets, RC controlled vehicles, and so on?

[djs]

Dec 25, 2012 17:15:08 GMT alvoram said:

How is this going to impact their business? I'd be very concerned if I was in charge at royal mail, many electronic products contain lithium ion batteries, so does this mean they will no longer ship mobile phones, laptops, tablets, RC controlled vehicles, and so on?

I think we've fast forwarded to April 1st.

What about the millions of mobile phone batt's sold every year.

How are the RM going to know if it's a pack of ever-readys or a pair of e-cig batteries?

[maccafan]

This is the summary taken from:

Clicky



So the way I interpret it is that batteries within devices are fine..Also means you can no longer buy butane for your blow torches online using RM as a shipping method..

[ChillerVapes]

Sounds so dumb to me it's a joke.

'permitted when sent in or with a device'

simple, send them inside a battery holder, that's a device of sorts.

What if I send them loose in a box with a load of wire and other metal objects oh and throw in a 99p calculator just to stick to the postage rules... TECHNICALLY they would allow that?
RM are just over the top with H&S, I mean, what the hell is going to happen to 1 battery wrapped in bubble wrap, inside a jiffy bag?

[Skwoddy]

well batteries can leak, but agreed, over the top h&s, never heard of a burnt postie from batteries yet.

[scaffman69]

Proper sounds like a right load of bollox that does to me too, its just saying theirs one reule for one and not thje other, double standards or what ? bullshit that is.

[chykensa]

There's an on-going thread on UKVapers forum about this topic - hope it's OK to post this link?

ukvapers.org/Thread-Safer-Lithium-Batteries

Andy

[alvoram]

Dec 26, 2012 10:32:12 GMT maccafan said:

This is the summary taken from:

Clicky



So the way I interpret it is that batteries within devices are fine..Also means you can no longer buy butane for your blow torches online using RM as a shipping method..

They also have restrictions applied when contained within a device, "* Volume, quantity, packaging, labelling and service restrictions apply as shown in the A-Z list."

The restrictions denoted by that particular asterix are as follows:

Follow these packaging guidelines:
Each package must contain no more than four cells or two
batteries installed in equipment. The maximum net quantity of
cells or batteries is 5kg per package. The lithium content must
not be more than 1g per cell or 2g per battery. Each cell and
battery must be of a type proven to meet the requirements of
each test in the UN Manual of Tests and Criteria, Part III, section
38.3. Batteries are subject to these tests irrespective of whether
the cells of which they are composed have been so tested.
Cells and batteries must be manufactured under a quality
management programme as specified in the ICAO Technical
Instructions for the Safe Transport of Dangerous Goods by Air. Cells or batteries that are defective for safety reasons, or that
have been damaged, are forbidden. Any person preparing or
offering cells or batteries with or in equipment for transport must
receive adequate instruction on the requirements commensurate
with their responsibilities. Cells and batteries must be protected
against short circuit. The equipment containing cells or batteries
must be packed in strong rigid packaging and must be secured
against movement within the outer packaging and packed to
prevent accidental activation. The sender’s name and return
address must be clearly visible on the outer packaging. These
items must be sent using 1st Class or 2nd Class paid for via
franking or on account, Special Delivery, Royal Mail Tracked® and
Royal Mail Sameday® services for destinations within the UK.

Few things stand out, must be SC protected (is that the battery, or does SC protection in the device count?) Must be less than a gram of lithium per cell. And then all the quality and standards controls. I think that pretty much rules out most ecigs, and ecig batteries, as well as many other battery containing devices.

Interesting though, that they are currently only allowed through tracked business services... We all know that hasn't been enforced!

[maccafan]

That is for batteries shipped with equipment.

There is another section for batteries within equipment..Two different sets of rules..The batteries within equipment applies to ego and lookey likey batteries..