Line Knock off

[Perpetua]

Super T Shockwave Benny . . . only a 100 have been made, whether there'll be another run I don't know as they've been sold at below cost, production was more costly than anticipated as the regular machine shop, couldn't handle the Shockwave's requirements

David is not a man for rushing, the first 27 are almost ready though . . . .

[andy01424]

as always it comes to affordability,agree the modders who make them have one bonus ,people still want them and will pay the price for a quality build,people who cannot afford have the next best affordable...just like a car a some devalue slowly for quality make, the cheapies devalue quicker

even on the news tonight the Chinese have addmited that they can mass produce at low cost,but as for quality they know its not good,so they are going to change it, so that build quality is quality is a vastly improved but at low cost , but as i have said above, a modders build is a limited collectable,like any collectable people will still buy it

[womble]

The Chinese can already make goods as well as us, in most cases anyway, they're just not interested in making a short run of expensive items.

There will always be the demand for lower quality mass produced items.

I suspect a Chinese shop will at some point try to introduce a range of very high quality ecig stuff to bother the US and EU modders, but it's not going to be easy, with China's reputation.

I have a friend who works in China full time (non ecig related, but engineering) and the things he says about China is unbelievable.
I think if they wanted to, they could do it now, I just don't think they want to.

[apostle51]

The line isnt produced anymore so in this instance the china/modder argument is moot.

Anyway, anyone got any feedback on the vh version ?

[Moon]

I'm led to believe there are quite a few people in China, and it baffles me that so many indulge in cloning.

They managed the Aga series, which are original, well-made and inexpensive, so why don't more of them invest a bit more in designing original items like these, or even improving on what they have.

If Vision brought out a SS version of a Vivi Nova for example, for a few quid more than the current ones, they'd sell millions of them.

[lazydog]

I am surprised they have not started mass producing more hybrids instead of interchangeable 510 type fittings

[mhyquel]

I bet a large part of that has to do with margins. For example, China will likely make a larger margin off of labour than they will from material. So, taking a small piece of stainless steel, adding a lot of labour value to it will produce greater profit than a large piece of stainless with lower labour value.

[womble]

Jan 19, 2013 0:13:17 GMT mhyquel said:

I bet a large part of that has to do with margins. For example, China will likely make a larger margin off of labour than they will from material. So, taking a small piece of stainless steel, adding a lot of labour value to it will produce greater profit than a large piece of stainless with lower labour value.

Yes, that makes alot of sense.
Even in China there must be a dearth of skilled machinists.

At least to the level we desire for a top quality mod.

So they have to pay alot more for them (if they exist) and the per object/cost ratio is not worth it. Plus, they would have to keep them in full time work to keep them. Difficult with a small run object.