Ford Car Rant...

[jakethevape]

I am sure there will be people on here with the same woes about flipping FORD aka. (Forever off-road-repair daily)

My crap pot on wheels is a 2006 Ford Focus 1.6 TDCI GHIA (with the STUPID French Peugeot turbo diesel engine in it).

In 8 months its had,

New Mass Air Flow sensor,
2x New injectors,
Turbo connection pipe,
full set of tyres plus two additional front new ones,
new exhaust,
new breaks and discs
new wheel bearings
new alternator

and now she needs 2 more new injectors
a new EGR valve
and possibly a new Turbo....

When does it flipping stop!, Now you may or may no know, I am a MASSIVE bike fan, had "big bikes" for 5 years before this stupid cage car thing and I always did my own work with it so it was never an issue.

But these flaming Diesel engines are a NIGHTMARE!!!!!!....

What I can’t decide is, do I bite the bullet on the final bits or chuck the car away for spares or repairs. I would go for the second bit, but my missis has the thought of "it could be just that last bit to keep it going".

What do you think any Ford mechanicy guys here?

[EDIT to add: Smoked 4 stinkes already today as my stress levels are hitting through the roof. One thing after another with this car...]

[Skwoddy]

The TDCI was a bad move after the TDDI, 128000 miles and going strong on my Focus TDDI, Non self destruct engines ftw.

[Skwoddy]

YOure gonna need tyres, exhaust, brakes, discs, bearings on any car to be fair. Turbos can be got for about £80 if its the 90hp one, the 110hp would be about £100, EGR Valves and injectors are cheap, its the labour that stings unless you know a mate.

[piper1]

I've just blanked of my EGR valve much better

[jakethevape]

Forgot to say, my one is sitting @ 142k miles.... when I brought her 9 months ago it was just 117k miles and had a new turbo fitted plus other bits. Now if in 8 months a turbo is due out again (£800 job) it seems crazy. and do you know what it is to do with......

This is when Paint is great...



What happens is all of this oil deposit gets remixed back in with a new oil change then bobs your uncle the oil feeder pipe to the turbo is blocked, it gets starved then BOOM new one and here is 1p change to your £800!!!..... that is just the turbo fault... there are MANY more....

[bomberharris]

ive had quite a few fords , focus st170, focus st ,fiesta zs deisel, all good cars. no probs with any

[jakethevape]

Dont pay for labor, I work in a big workshop. Mainly landrovers here but Ford is a big part of our fleet.

(im not a mechanic, I look after the diagnostics systems and IT)

[jakethevape]

Feb 5, 2013 17:01:05 GMT Skwoddy said:

YOure gonna need tyres, exhaust, brakes, discs, bearings on any car to be fair. Turbos can be got for about £80 if its the 90hp one, the 110hp would be about £100, EGR Valves and injectors are cheap, its the labour that stings unless you know a mate.

Recon Turbos?. No way is that for a new one?.

[chrisjw]

Feb 5, 2013 17:03:16 GMT piper1 said:

I've just blanked of my EGR valve much better

That does show a slight improvement, but not always recommended to be honest........

Join a focus forum jake & ask a few questions......I did that when I was having problems with my deisel.( never had one before ) & managed to do a lot of the maintenance myself including a lot of the stuff that they reckon is impossible without rigging it up to a machine....

[Skwoddy]

Bad turbos (youre previous one) have a habit of dropping oil in the Cat, this can cause back pressure, unlikely but it can happen, the only fix without replacing a CAT is to drill a hole in the cat and drain it but thats only likely to get you through one MOT. Youre diagram is the other problem, low oil pressure through either low oil levels or sump residue will starve the turbo of oil. Things to check, MAF Sensor, copper seal at the turbos return pipe (engine end), blocked intercooler pipe?, What symptoms does the car have?

A friend of mine had a recon turbo fitted for £220, dont spend £800 on a new turbo for a high mileage car if you want my opinion, recons come with a warranty too, but its important you get rid of the cause first.

[Skwoddy]

Feb 5, 2013 17:12:16 GMT jakethevape said:

Feb 5, 2013 17:01:05 GMT Skwoddy said:

YOure gonna need tyres, exhaust, brakes, discs, bearings on any car to be fair. Turbos can be got for about £80 if its the 90hp one, the 110hp would be about £100, EGR Valves and injectors are cheap, its the labour that stings unless you know a mate.

Recon Turbos?. No way is that for a new one?.

yeah obviously a recon, I wouldnt pay for a new one unless the car was of high value.

[jakethevape]

Issues currently,

Complete loss of power between idle and 1.9k rpm. Anything over 2k rpm the turbo kicks in all of a sudden rather than the nice buildup which you feel when its working fine.

Leaking on 2 injectors so causing bad misfire. Going to replace the seals tommorow and see if that helps if not they will need to be re-seated. That will cause the loss of compression on the lower revs I think as once its over the 2k mark its not "so much" of an issue.

Turbo is periodically not charging and the only way to resolve this is to pull over and turn off / on the engine. Which I have been told can be the EGR valve being stuck open but it causes a loss of power that would indicate the turbo not charging.

[Skwoddy]

Turbo is doing as it should, they dont kick in till 1600-1900 revs, Im confident you wont have to replace that unless you start running on low oil. Test is to get up to speed (say 50mph) and to take your foot off the accelerator, when you put your foot back down it should pull away with a jerk rather than sluggishly. from the sound of it youre on the right track by replacing the compression that diesels need so much, if the injectors and egr dont cure it then check the intercooler isnt blocked. Im not a mechanic for the record, ive just had my share of turbo diesels.

[jakethevape]

Feb 5, 2013 17:31:47 GMT Skwoddy said:

Turbo is doing as it should, they dont kick in till 1600-1900 revs, Im confident you wont have to replace that unless you start running on low oil. Test is to get up to speed (say 50mph) and to take your foot off the accelerator, when you put your foot back down it should pull away with a jerk rather than sluggishly. from the sound of it youre on the right track by replacing the compression that diesels need so much, if the injectors and egr dont cure it then check the intercooler isnt blocked. Im not a mechanic for the record, ive just had my share of turbo diesels.

Cheers Skwoddy, and any advice is good with thease things. Its lucky I dont have to take it to any old garage as I lost trust with allot of places back in my bike days. Plus my work is hardly going to screw me over....atleast I hope not ...

Once the others are done I will check your test. I know exactly what you mean tho by that pull from the turbo.

I am sure EGRs are work of the devil..... even the old school guys here who have been spanner monkies for 30+ years say the EGRs are a PITA.

[Skwoddy]

EGR's and MAFS both works of the devil imho, anyway good luck, im sure it wont be as expensive as you think, a work colleague has a few cars as taxis that he has drivers for, his focus has over 250k on it, they are good engines, at least till Ford decided to go for Electric Common Rail (pewk)

ETA, far too much snow around still for a bike, warmer weather tho soon.