Clive Bate tweet UK house of lords on ecigs

[womble]

Clive bates tweets







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UK House of Lords recommends consideration of regulation of e-cigs outside scope of tobacco products directive: www.parliament.uk/documents/lords-committees/eu-sub-com-f/tobaccoproductsdirective/1806812tobaccoproductsdirectivesoubryfinal240413.pdf … #SWOF

[Sandra (aka Chillax)]

Did you see the EU talking about this yesterday? Some seem to be getting a slightly better attitude

[womble]

No, is it available anywhere to watch it, do you know?

[ChillerVapes]

Oh crap... it's N.I.C.E who are doing the research on NCPs vs tobacco... I wonder what bs they will recommend on the outcome.
My guess would be something on the lines of 'our results show that NCPs have a far lower risk to health than regular tobacco products, but we believe that in the intest of public safety, that NCPs with a nicotine content more than 0.4% must be classed as a medical device.
Yadda yadda yadda, flavours limited to tobacco or flavourless to prevent them from becomming popular with minors.'

[collie2011]

So is this good news? To me it reads that they still want to look at regulation, this might just buy us a bit of time while they set up a new law to cover it?

[collie2011]

Apr 25, 2013 8:59:03 GMT ChillerVapes said:

Oh crap... it's N.I.C.E who are doing the research on NCPs vs tobacco... I wonder what bs they will recommend on the outcome.
My guess would be something on the lines of 'our results show that NCPs have a far lower risk to health than regular tobacco products, but we believe that in the intest of public safety, that NCPs with a nicotine content more than 0.4% must be classed as a medical device.
Yadda yadda yadda, flavours limited to tobacco or flavourless to prevent them from becomming popular with minors.'

Flavourless isn't a problem, you can buy flavourings anywhere. They are food flavourings

[matt1988]

Yeh just get flavourless a little stronger than normal, and just get flavourings from somewhere

[djs]

I think "outside the scope of this draft directive" sounds encouraging.

As far as I'm concerned E-Lites have it right.

1) Tobacco products
2) NRT
3) Consumer e-cig products.

3 very clear and easily distinguishable boundaries.


Now - where's my bubblegum liquid, as I need it to get the kids hooked, preferably before it all gets banned.

Are the tobacco companies really "increasingly" buying up e-cig companies? Have Joyetech sold out to Golden Virginia? Can I sell my homemade e-liquid laboratory (the kitchen) to Mayfair fags for like a million quid?

Can someone buy E-lites please? Just give them £1-2 billion and re-do the website in a more "helpful" way. Let the boys sun themselves on an island in Barbados and enjoy their retirement.

[giles]

Apr 25, 2013 8:59:49 GMT collie2011 said:

So is this good news? To me it reads that they still want to look at regulation, this might just buy us a bit of time while they set up a new law to cover it?

I think it is good news, as far as it goes. Anything which delays legislation means more time to collect evidence, and more ecig users, and so less likely that the legislation will be destructive.

I think we have to expect some regulation, if only to stop sales to minors.

Apr 25, 2013 9:01:01 GMT collie2011 said:

Flavourless isn't a problem, you can buy flavourings anywhere. They are food flavourings

Trouble is that if the EU have their way, tobacco-flavoured cartridges will be the only way to buy nic, because nothing else will have been through the approved medical research. And that is supposing someone does the research - no one has yet.

[matt1988]

Isn't there 1 company going through the research now?

And I agree, the only way to buy e-cigs would be in a pre-filled carto, attatched to an auto 510 battery.

[djs]

Apr 25, 2013 12:24:09 GMT matt1988 said:

And I agree, the only way to buy e-cigs would be in a pre-filled carto, attatched to an auto 510 battery.

I can't see them banning ego batteries, but my concern is the look-a-like companies being the "end game" players, charging £3.99 per refill. At that point, I would bow out totally.

However, if a company with some morals stepped up to the plate with a decent £2-3 cartomiser and didn't actually LIE about the "value" of that cartomiser in terms of nicotine yield or "puffs" there might be hope.

If you could freely buy batteries and get 10 pre-filled cartos for £15-25 from, say, Boots or Sainsbury's, that would have some use./.?

Trouble is, the current company with the money (who are also effectively/*possibly* helping us whilst trying to save their own backsides) thinks a carto is worth £3.99 and offers 40 fags. Both of which are simply not true. What if, in endlessly refusing to back down on the "40" cigarettes claim, the government then wants to tax one carto as 40 cigarettes> ? ! Worse than bad, catastrophic.