ECIG Regulation - The Truth

[matt1988]

If the TPD goes through as it stands, then the MHRA can regulate these as a medicine legally, am I right?

So the MHRA are irrelevant at the moment, and we still need to focus on the TPD. Is that correct?

Maybe ECITA as they have more know how can work with ECCA more closely so we know where to focus our efforts, that is of course if ECCA can get the man power and resources to do so.

[Cheralynn]

Jun 13, 2013 11:19:35 GMT @mp2012 said:

To all the people on this forum who are building panic over the statement the MHRA made yesterday, you need to seriously calm down; this attitude is simply scaremongering and shows a lack of understanding of the process.
The MHRA do not have the authority to regulate ecigs as medicines in the UK. They are engaging in propaganda to try and influence the EU decision.This decision will be made in Europe and what was released by the MHRA was simply an ADVISORY note, even though they phrased it as law, it is not.
This has gone to court in 4 countries within the EU so far and has been rejected on the point that ecigs ARE NOT medicines. Even the JURI committee have stated that they cannot be reclassified as medicines.

If you have any concerns list them in this post and I will endeavour to put your minds at rest.

Well, at last, a bit of calm on the water . I'm going to copy this post and show it to my converts at work. One of them said you would have to get ecigs on prescription......... errr no!!! another said that they were being banned....... errr no again!! I read and heard a lot yesterday and  quite honestly wasn't worried. Thanks for this, it will hopefully shut em up at work  

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Jun 13, 2013 12:04:37 GMT matt1988 said:

If the TPD goes through as it stands, then the MHRA can regulate these as a medicine legally, am I right?

So the MHRA are irrelevant at the moment, and we still need to focus on the TPD. Is that correct?

Maybe ECITA as they have more know how can work with ECCA more closely so we know where to focus our efforts, that is of course if ECCA can get the man power and resources to do so.

To your first point, yes that is correct. Yes the MHRA are irrelevant at the moment. And I have already commented on ECCA in a previous post.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 12:04:37 GMT matt1988 said:

If the TPD goes through as it stands, then the MHRA can regulate these as a medicine legally, am I right?

So the MHRA are irrelevant at the moment, and we still need to focus on the TPD. Is that correct?

Maybe ECITA as they have more know how can work with ECCA more closely so we know where to focus our efforts, that is of course if ECCA can get the man power and resources to do so.

According to MP in his previous post they are liaising with ECCA.....

[Blownupdolly]

Maybe womble can shed some light on this later.

[womble]

I know ECCA are talking to ECITA, but that's all I know.

Although I think they should work together, I feel ECCA should go alone in campaigning. The reason is, ECITA are always tarred with being distributors etc. So they always seen to have an agenda, they want to sell more stuff.
ECCA doesn't have that problem, so in a way, although ECITA is in a much stronger financial position than ECCA, ECCA has the moral high ground and should be using it.

[Deleted]

Surely one doesn't exist without the other, we want them flog us more stuff ... rather it is ECITA than a Tobacco / Pharma in the future

[womble]

Jun 13, 2013 12:39:13 GMT @ashmal said:

Surely one doesn't exist without the other, we want them flog us more stuff ... rather it is ECITA than a Tobacco / Pharma in the future

It's not a question of what vapers think, it's the perception we give to the listening public and the MP's. ECITA in every interview get hit with the std thing, "but you have an agenda to sell more ecigs" and I think this majorly puts them at a disadvantage.

These are just my views, if you want me to tell me different, then please do so, I will actively promote AAEC's forum members views to ECCA.

[giles]

Thanks for the time you put into this forum @mp2012

My concerns are these:

This body is recommending legislation to the UK government, and is currently the most authoritative document the government has.

Once someone produces a report, white paper, or whatever, it gets much more difficult to change their minds. So I think it is a good idea to panic now, before it is too late (if it is not already too late).

It is not clear to me that the UK government will not legislate ahead of the EU.

I hope I'm wrong, but I'd have thought it unlikely that anyone will do the research to get anything other than a cig-alike approved. 

I suspect that most of your members' revenue comes from cig-alikes which may give your organisation a perspective which most of us on this forum don't share.

Even if the "characterising flavours" recommendation from the EU is ignored I'd think it unlikely that anyone will do the medical research to get approval for, for instance, Grants Vanilla Custard. So I think we will be back to tobacco/menthol flavours.

We may be able to import stuff - the Aussies seem to manage - but every report like this that is produced makes it more likely that another country will go down the medical route and makes importing less likely.

I'm not so worried about me - I'm 65 and I could probably have enough nicotine stored to last the rest of my life. What p*sses me off is that because of this report a lot of people are likely to die younger than they should.

[womble]

Jun 13, 2013 12:54:04 GMT giles said:

Thanks for the time you put into this forum @mp2012

I'd like to agree with that, having someone from ECITA here can only be for the good.

[Blownupdolly]

Jun 13, 2013 12:46:35 GMT womble said:

Jun 13, 2013 12:39:13 GMT @ashmal said:

Surely one doesn't exist without the other, we want them flog us more stuff ... rather it is ECITA than a Tobacco / Pharma in the future

It's not a question of what vapers think, it's the perception we give to the listening public and the MP's. ECITA in every interview get hit with the std thing, "but you have an agenda to sell more ecigs" and I think this majorly puts them at a disadvantage.

These are just my views, if you want me to tell me different, then please do so, I will actively promote AAEC's forum members views to ECCA.

This is why I feel it would be good to plan an attack whereby ECCA push from one side and ECITA from another but plan the attack together. After reading your point on ECITA always being at a disadvantage purely because of who they represent is very true and, as you say, this should be where ECCA steps in.

I have to agree with something giles has just said. I feel the largest proportion of vendor sales is from cigalikes, which is born out by the fact the owner of Elites is often interviewed alongside ECITA in media reports on TV. It certainly does our vaping community no good at all.

[womble]

Vaping is vaping, ECCA has to stand for all vapers, not just the online community.

I very much dislike the fact that it is the owners of cigalike companies that always gets on tv. However, they are the ones who want to do it.
We need someone working for ECCA who is also willing to do it. Elites have a very good reason to get on tv, ECCA can't afford to pay anyone, we need someone who will do it for love and I don't mean that they will get sexual favours for getting on TV, but I suspect Dolly would be willing to help out if that was the only way

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Jun 13, 2013 13:14:28 GMT womble said:

Vaping is vaping, ECCA has to stand for all vapers, not just the online community.

I very much dislike the fact that it is the owners of cigalike companies that always gets on tv. However, they are the ones who want to do it.
We need someone working for ECCA who is also willing to do it. Elites have a very good reason to get on tv, ECCA can't afford to pay anyone, we need someone who will do it for love and I don't mean that they will get sexual favours for getting on TV, but I suspect Dolly would be willing to help out if that was the only way

Maybe you need a 'Face of ECCA'...

[matt1988]

Here here womble.

ECCA simply doesn't have anyone capable to go in front cameras. If someone were to step forwards we could then take steps into getting interviews.

But unfortunately in 3 years of ECCAs existence no-one as of yet has stepped forward.

[matt1988]

Jun 13, 2013 13:20:00 GMT @mp2012 said:

Jun 13, 2013 13:14:28 GMT womble said:

Vaping is vaping, ECCA has to stand for all vapers, not just the online community.

I very much dislike the fact that it is the owners of cigalike companies that always gets on tv. However, they are the ones who want to do it.
We need someone working for ECCA who is also willing to do it. Elites have a very good reason to get on tv, ECCA can't afford to pay anyone, we need someone who will do it for love and I don't mean that they will get sexual favours for getting on TV, but I suspect Dolly would be willing to help out if that was the only way

Maybe you need a 'Face of ECCA'...

Thats exactly what we need MP, hence why the chair role is STILL vacant!