Could I mix my way out of this mistake?

[Ancient Hermit]

Hi all,

I just got started on Tuesday this week, now it's Friday I got some thoughts on how I'd like to try and tweak my first purchase of e-liquid.

I was smoking Old Holborn, 19 a day and used a rolling machine and added 2 filters to each, so 50g would last me about a week.

I chose something called Rolling Holborn, and followed a lot of advice which said to go a little higher than you think you need then adjust downward in subsequent purchases. That seemed understandable and made sense, so I selected 24mg. However I had not factored in my having had two filters in each rolly and of course I now have more throat hit than I can easily handle. Makes me cough more than smoking did when I forget what I am doing, get a little cavalier and take a normal drag! (ouch!)

I also over ordered by accident, 30ml looked like a good deal and I had imagined it was one bottle, but it was 3 10 ml bottles that arrived. The mix claims 50/40 on the label (extra 10% seems to be accounted for in deionised water, nic and flavouring)

So given I got too much throat hit and would like to save the other two bottles from becoming wasted, then I was mulling over getting a 30 ml bottle, throwing one 10 ml bottle of the juice in there and topping it off with 20 ml of empty VG (for more vapour and far less throat hit) to get what I guess would by then be 8-12 mg or so?

Is that even a good idea? Or did I work it out right? Or, more likely I guess, am I totally not going about this the right way?

Any pointers or second opinions would be most welcome about now!

[dragon]

Hey

That kind of dilution will dilute the taste significantly, and I doubt you want to dilute the nic content quite that much at the start anyhows. Diluting with VG is a good way to go, but I would use 2/3 of your liquid and 1/3 VG, you can always dilute more later

I found that my throat was more sensitive right at the beginning, remember that your body is detoxing from the stinkies at the same time. Try ordering some 12mg liquid (not so much this time and give yourself a week or so to settle. You will figure it out in next to no time, and remember your experiments should still cost less than baccy. After a week or two you will find your feet, and the savings really start (unless you get hooked into new gear )

[theinhaler]

if you added that much vg you would really dilute the flavour , you probably wouldnt be able to taste much, i would try to get a tobacco concentrate as close to the flavour you like and add it to your tastes

[OneDay]

Ancient Hermit hi and welcome. We all make mistakes and go through a trial and error phase!
Mixing 10ml of your 24mg juice with 20ml of plain VG will give you 8mg juice at 20% PG 80% VG
BUT - your flavour will be substantially reduced

[Fagsareus]

It would work ...however in the amounts you describe your content I think would only be 8mg strength and you would lose considerable taste ..if I've understood the mixing guides .....I'm sure someone will correct me shortly

[Greigster]

The downside of adding plain VG is that you will reduce/dilute the flavour. Quite often, people who smoke will find that vaping makes them cough at the start. My son in law smokes Old Holbourn without any filters but if he takes a draw of my vape at 24mg, it makes him cough. what mod are you using?

Edit:- bugger I am slow at typing

[rich64]

Jun 28, 2013 21:33:27 GMT Ancient Hermit said:

Hi all,

I just got started on Tuesday this week, now it's Friday I got some thoughts on how I'd like to try and tweak my first purchase of e-liquid.

I was smoking Old Holborn, 19 a day and used a rolling machine and added 2 filters to each, so 50g would last me about a week.

I chose something called Rolling Holborn, and followed a lot of advice which said to go a little higher than you think you need then adjust downward in subsequent purchases. That seemed understandable and made sense, so I selected 24mg. However I had not factored in my having had two filters in each rolly and of course I now have more throat hit than I can easily handle. Makes me cough more than smoking did when I forget what I am doing, get a little cavalier and take a normal drag! (ouch!)

I also over ordered by accident, 30ml looked like a good deal and I had imagined it was one bottle, but it was 3 10 ml bottles that arrived. The mix claims 50/40 on the label (extra 10% seems to be accounted for in deionised water, nic and flavouring)

So given I got too much throat hit and would like to save the other two bottles from becoming wasted, then I was mulling over getting a 30 ml bottle, throwing one 10 ml bottle of the juice in there and topping it off with 20 ml of empty VG (for more vapour and far less throat hit) to get what I guess would by then be 8-12 mg or so?

Is that even a good idea? Or did I work it out right? Or, more likely I guess, am I totally not going about this the right way?

Any pointers or second opinions would be most welcome about now!

Hi
I done exactly the same as you with exactly the same logic (smoked amber leaf so assumed 24 mg liquid) and found it too rough

One suggestion could be to bu the same old hoburn mix in a low nicand mix with your 24(eg 10 ml 24 plus 10 ml of 12 = 18) and add a drop of the following www.ecigwizard.com/offers/bargain-basement/vape-wizard-flavour-art.html to soften it back more

Im still learning so hang on a bit to see if someone more experienced views it as good advice as i dont want you wasting money

cheers

[Ancient Hermit]

Gosh, and first off, thanks all for prompt observations and help!

I'm today using an ego-t, and also got a clearomizer ce4 replacement (a fake one most likely having found and watched a youtube video dealing with spotting those - doh!) so I now know what those are like, and this prompted me to go and order an ego twist, so I can dial down to lower volts and maybe lower the throat hit a bit that way. I also went for a protank so that I have one atty which could handle possibly corrosive fruity flavours as I try them. If I like it well enough I will maybe do another of those set ups to let me have two of them and use the others as fall back devices, and maybe ready to go cigs with other flavours perhaps.

I presently have way too much flavour and too much throat hit - however I also ordered 4 non tobacco samplers and they are 18 mg, so when they arrive I will try them before considering ordering anything for diluting the two outstanding bottles of Rolling Holborn.

That stuff is like being hit in the throat with a hot alloy baseball bat - it's so much too much flavour that my tongue feels like I have smoked about 60-80 cigs in one day. and it's been a long time since I was ever that foolish! Not nice to go back there as I now feel a bit foolish too!

This is a very interesting pass time as much as it is a solution to not smoking tobacco!

[Mev]

Just add 10ml of VG to both bottle's of juice making 30ml of 16mg and flavour may be ok, may be a bit weak but vapable.

[Ancient Hermit]

Jun 28, 2013 22:10:35 GMT Mev said:

Just add 10ml of VG to both bottle's of juice making 30ml of 16mg and flavour may be ok, may be a bit weak but vapable.

Ah, now that sounds simple enough that even I could get it right first go, and not an unacceptable compromise on the flavour either as my taste seems to be already returning and I used to have rollies double filtered in any case - was a very smooth smoke that one as it happens! I'm not expecting to get it replicated spot on of course but I think I'm finding out that I was more about the feel of smoking and not needing as much nic as I guessed at, I also like a throat hit but not a real huge one. Or at least that is as good as I have been able to work it out so far. This is quite an art figuring out what it was about smoking you really did like and hanging on to that bit if possible, so as to ensure a full success at not smoking tobacco!

There's been some other great suggestions from you all and I thank you all for them. What a great bunch of folk you are!

I'm going to wait on the other flavours with lower nic to arrive, try that, and then ponder what I may do next! 

[fred]

Ancient Hermit, Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you vaping correctly?
Smoking friends always have trouble when they try my PV, as they try and vape like they smoke.
Have you tried a long slow draw, and then hold it in your mouth for a few seconds before 'taking it back'? This will take a bit of the 'kick' out of it.

Sorry if you're doing this already, but you may not be, being new to it.

Anyway, to the forum - no matter what issues you have, someone here will have the answer

[chykensa]

Hi and welcome to the forum! Don't forget that both PG and VG are humectants, absorbing moisture, so your dry tongue may well be due to this rather than the strength of the juice.
If I were in your position, I would try the lower nic juices when they arrive, and if you still want to weaken your OH, buy some weaker juice from the same vendor and mix 50/50 so that you lower the nic levels without affecting the taste. If you find the taste quite strong, this could be the high nic every bit as much as the strength, so diluting with plain VG will give you more vapour, but will diminish the taste significantly.
Just mt 2d-worth (yes, I regrettably am old enough to remember the 'd's!).
Andy

[Ancient Hermit]

Jun 28, 2013 22:49:09 GMT fred said:

Ancient Hermit, Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you vaping correctly?
Smoking friends always have trouble when they try my PV, as they try and vape like they smoke.
Have you tried a long slow draw, and then hold it in your mouth for a few seconds before 'taking it back'? This will take a bit of the 'kick' out of it.

Sorry if you're doing this already, but you may not be, being new to it.

Anyway, to the forum - no matter what issues you have, someone here will have the answer

Thanks for this, I was sort of doing it right, however it did make me focus a bit more as to whether I might be able to do it a bit better still, and it's sort of worked. Feels like it's simply a matter of relearning a little! I'll get there eventually!

It does still need knocking back a bit though, it's just so very much stronger than my rollies would have been. I'm quite pleased in some ways as I think it's possible I was not wrong to double filter those rollies down the years! Might have saved me some trouble at least.