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I did not buy any Innokin stuff so far, first up the puff counter obsession they have or had was a deal breaker, then if I wanted to buy the mod without any of their atomizers well, that option was not available either at the time, which was another deal breaker. I felt like I was being herded, not like I was making a purchasing decision of my own.

After a while it nagged away at me enough that I decided to look into it and try to see what was really going on and realised that pretty much all of their mods come with not just one but two atomizers.

I felt sure if they felt they needed to ship two of them with everything they sold, then either they must be unreliable in some way, or they wanted to indicate maybe even underline that they were consumables. It may also be that they wanted higher sales figures for the clearos they make, including two with every mod would be a way to make their clearo appear more popular than it really is I guess, but not sure where that would really get them. Just shows the various aspects I felt it worth considering I suppose.

It was then that I saw it for what it is; it's the printer cartridge model, but adjusted to vape.

So they keep coming out with mods (like printers), and they aim to make their profits mostly from the consumables (like ink and toner).

I have not always been pleased to buy printers and the cartridges, and felt having anything like that experience involved with my attempts to stay away form cigs was likely to prove a poor choice if I elected to make it.

So, having genuinely thought about it, I went another route that I felt would probably suit my needs better, and have never looked back, often find myself smiling at new Innokin releases as they come along, and in my head is the thought "yet another nice try guys, next!" 

Good luck choosing your best fitting route!

What about stacking copper washers and soldering them together?


Good flux, use your mini blowtorch, that should let it happen? 

I, love that woman I tell you! 

Hmmmm... not sure about how smart it is, but it's not truly terrible either; would like to see more or less all things that lead to death restricted to 18+ only, and yes that includes war and childbirth! Imperfect you say, well hell yes, but at least it would be consistent, and that sounds like a step forward!

You were not wrong guys! Thanks for the encouragement.

It's taking time, but is so much easier when you have the device to hand and can see it making progress or not - well, sometimes does and sometimes not, but generally getting easier as it goes along!

I have to say it's the only real issue I have with the thing, that and wishing the top cap was maybe one or two tenths of a millimetre or so taller, it's just a hair too thin to have a kayfun light plus on top and have it fully flush but also with the top cap screwed down fully to meet the tube, there's no more than the width of a bit of 0.20 kanthal gap one end or the other when I try.

It is without doubt the best vape I have had from my kayfun, no more rattlesnake noises from the mod under it, just the flavour of the home made vape, presenting it in a totally clean and involving manner.

What a knock out! Now to learn the menu so it can be second nature: I may be some time......

Yes, thanks, it's a very good video, and I certainly could not have done that or anything remotely like it. However when he gets to the menu system, he has some parts where he will say something, then correct himself and says words that are either indistinct or which he struggles to say, and which I can not guess at, and then the meaning he was trying to convey becomes lost sadly.

I accept it's more to do with me probably, as I just do English and I'm not even used to accents from around the UK, never mind from around the world. I'm old enough to probably be a bit set in my ways, and I don't seem able to change even if I would like to. Lord knows I've tried and failed with this one so far. It's pretty frustrating as situations go.

Oh well, maybe it will be easier if there is a device in front of me, would hopefully make more sense then.