Big boys selling e-cigs

[richo71]

The big boys are winning again and they will get all the backing they want because money talks, this is the kind of device if we are still vaping come 2016 that will be available, because at present we have Royal Mail forcing vendors into not selling eliquids because vendors cant get them shipped, and the government will force products like this onto us, as much as it pains me to say this but this is the one thing as a vaper that i was fearing (the big tobacco companies getting involved, mainly because of the huge sum's of £££££ and big backers they have)

[mikeb]

Jul 31, 2013 21:17:56 GMT richo71 said:

The big boys are winning again and they will get all the backing they want because money talks, this is the kind of device if we are still vaping come 2016 that will be available, because at present we have Royal Mail forcing vendors into not selling eliquids because vendors cant get them shipped, and the government will force products like this onto us, as much as it pains me to say this but this is the one thing as a vaper that i was fearing (the big tobacco companies getting involved, mainly because of the huge sum's of £££££ and big backers they have)

Calm down. yes the big boys have got involved but they're not winning.
They can sell their £6.99 throwaway cigalike that costs the prospective quitter about £35 a day but we'll still be here to help and show how it should be done.

[mittenkitten]

Big Tobacco joining the electronic cigarette industry can only be applauded, yes we all know that IF, the EU plans go ahead, we will all fall under the remit of nicotine replacement therapies and will have to nip to the pharmacy to get our 0.4% of nicotine (ineffective as these therapies are), but with big tobacco on board, they will do one of two things, as said previously at £6.99, they don't stand a chance and people will seek out the like of non-cigalikes, or people will use them a couple of times and do what most of us did, find the market that is "the e-cigarette market" and get a real e-cigarette, with thousands of flavours of e-liquid to choose from and be able to choose their own nicotine strength.  They've done it again though, they've come into the market with their Bold Vype and it has 44%mg strength nicotine, doesn't matter that they taste terrible, according to one reviewer, and only last half an hour, people will get wise that for just say, £10 more they can get themselves an eGO starter kit, some e-liquid and away they go - Big tobacco joined OUR industry we just left theirs! 

They can't compete with what we have to offer, and there are many, many vendors around the world all reputable, not aiming our product at under 18's and not wanting to "get 'em young and keep 'em hooked for life".  We have choices and our choices I believe are that we CHOOSE TO VAPE, WE DON'T CHOOSE TO BE ILL, SO THEREFORE WHY MAKE THE INGENIOUS ELECTRONIC CIGARETTE DEVICE AND IT'S E-LIQUID FALL UNDER THE NRT'S...THIS IS RATHER PRESUMPTIOUS OF THE EU TO THINK THAT WE ARE ALL ILL AND NEED THERAPY?  Who says we don't have millions to throw at advertising, we don't need to and why they think they should is beyond me, but we do have millions upon millions of vapers to throw at them! Our product, the electronic cigarette sells itself, not the cigalike, let them spend their millions, for each person that buys and trys on of their products we could have a potential vaper on board with us, and we don't need millions of Pounds or Euros to educate people, we simply carry on the good fight, join as many campaigns as possible and although we've welcomed Big Tobacco into our industry with open arms, we won't mind at all, when we show them the door!

 

[djs]

Aug 2, 2013 9:52:27 GMT mittenkitten said:

They've done it again though, they've come into the market with their Bold Vype and it has 44%mg strength nicotine, doesn't matter that they taste terrible, according to one reviewer, and only last half an hour, people will get wise that for just say, £10 more they can get themselves an eGO starter kit, some e-liquid and away they go - Big tobacco joined OUR industry we just left theirs! 

They can't compete with what we have to offer, and there are many, many vendors around the world ...

I agree. The important "work" we have to do is to keep the message loud and clear about these products.
They don't do what they claim to do, and people who use them and fail need our help in avoiding going back to tobacco.

Personally, I think it is some sort of illegal activity to sell a product that is incapable of doing what it claims to do. Forgetting all the "40" cigarettes nonsense and 2 hour batteries, it has already been proven that in naive users (beginners) these crap plastic sticks are not able to raise the nicotine in the blood stream to satisfy cravings.
Sadly, people will try them and then most will just go back to tobacco.
It's the moment of opportunity that will define whether people move onto something which does work or give up trying.

I must have "educated" over 100 smokers and non-smokers into understanding the shortcomings of these products. Maybe 44mg will help, but I doubt it. Even with 44mg liquid and enough batteries, it's still going to need lots of expensive refills....which leads to folk "googling" about refilling....and then gets them on forums.

[mittenkitten]

djs - too right, 'educating' a key word. There is still a huge chunk of the population that don't even know of the existence of electronic cigarettes, let alone anything beyond the "cigalikes"...if we keep sending out the message, whether it be to our customers and their friends, on forums such as this, on discussion boards, on ALL social media and in the form of flyers, leaflets, campaign websites etc. then I seriously don't think the EU will have a leg to stand on. Even after the decision was made to ban the e-cig and to re-classify it as a medicinal device, the legal team at the EU said "any decision which is made by the EU Parliament with could harm its citizens goes against the core principals of the European Union Charter", if what they have done is not classed as "harm", I don't know what is.

[Chrissie]

mittenkitten I think you need to read your welcome PM & then apply for vendor status

[mittenkitten]

Ahhhh ok xx will do thank you very much x

[Deleted]

Uhmmm, can't decide if this is good or not, yes the "big boys" are involved, and it will prevent a "ban" but they have the money to throw around to push bans on vaping as we know now.

[djs]

OK, so this "Vype" is a disposable for £6.99

Now, first off, if I was a smoker, I'd give that a go...sure.

Now, soon enough I'm going to wonder why I'm using a disposable item.....even an idiot is going to envisage a product where you recharge instead. Cheaper, better for the environment etc.

That could lead anywhere....skycigs? JacVapour? E-Lites...?

However.

Vype Red contains 18.6mg, Vype Blue contains 12.5mg and Vype Green contains 12.6mg of nicotine.
Approximately 60% of the above nicotine content is inhaled (equivalent in Regular to 7.5mg nicotine and in Bold to 11.2mg) before depletion of the battery.

Let's say I buy the "Red" 18.6mg. I'm going to get 60% of that....which is 11.2mg. That's not even taking into account the YIELD which probably isn't even 50%. So, at the end of the day I pay £6.99, get <6mg nicotine into my system and then after climbing the walls, start chain vaping, and wonder w.t.h. am I doing? This isn't working... HELP.

Stupid....it really is. 6mg for £6.99.....

Surely BAT haven't actually bothered to find out if it will be an efficacious alternative? I can't be. 6mg is not even half a pack of Marlboro, or whatever.

[mikeb]

Surely BAT haven't actually bothered to find out if it will be an efficacious alternative? I can't be. 6mg is not even half a pack of Marlboro, or whatever.

They don't have to. All they have to show is that it has the same efficacy as an equivalent nrt product which means the Nicorette inhalator, so it can be as crap as they want it to be and charge a ridiculous price.

[Karma]

I was talking to my pharmacist about e-cigs etc. He thinks it's all good and anything that gets people off the ciggies has to be a good thing although he acknowledges that they haven't been around long enough for overall safety to be proven. He does feel that they have to be a hell of a lot less dangerous than ciggies.

Now, the arguement that you don't get a measurable dose of nicotine from an e-cig, he thinks is absurd. You don't get a measurable amount of nicotine per drag on a ciggie or per drag on an inhalator. It depends on how long and hard a drag you take.

He's no fan of Big Pharma and recons that e-cigs are the bad boys at the moment but as soon as BigP can get licenses for them as a medical product they will be marketed as the best NRT method available

[mikeb]

If the Batcig has a 2 second cut off and a restricted airway they can get pretty close to a regulated dose but again it only has to be as 'good' as an nrt inhalator which is already approved.

another point is they claim one of their products contains 18.6 mg of nicotine, I think they are confusing quantity with strength.
18.6mg would mean per litre NOT per ecig. Without knowing how much liquid it holds we don't know how much nicotine we would get from one and on the v*pe site it says approx 60% is inhaled, 40% wasted?, before the battery goes flat.

So to recap, it's overpriced, underpowered, is as good as an inhalator and will probably be the best gateway to proper vaping we've ever seen.