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Post by Matt Gluggles on Sept 17, 2013 12:13:30 GMT
. LATEST NEWS
A Court Ruling has just been announced today (17th September) for three cases. ( local, regional and national court cases) - in Germany.
In all 3 cases, the Courts ruled that nicotine in e-liquid is NOT medicinal.The court ruling can be read here (German language) www.ovg.nrw.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/27_130917/index.phpIf you put that into Google Translate, you get this: This needs forwarding to ALL your MEP's, the MHRA and Linda McAven. .
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Post by Greigster on Sept 17, 2013 13:02:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 13:09:35 GMT
Great news Matt Gluggles thanks for the heads up ... celebration drinkypoos for deffo!
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Post by ckc on Sept 17, 2013 13:09:52 GMT
Not medicinal by function. Thanks Matt Gluggles that's what the MHRA are aiming for.
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Post by skyjay on Sept 17, 2013 13:34:34 GMT
Thanks 4 the news......just hope our idiot mps read it
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Post by OneDay on Sept 17, 2013 13:36:34 GMT
This is another weapon in our armoury. Good find!
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Post by kibbster on Sept 17, 2013 14:20:43 GMT
That's more court rulings in our favour, in fact there's none that have gone against us! MHRA will try their luck anyway but at least we can be pretty sure they'll get a bitch slapping when it goes to court.
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Post by djs on Sept 17, 2013 22:11:28 GMT
Ich werde nach Deutschland, schnell bewegen.
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Post by Ron on Sept 17, 2013 22:16:12 GMT
Ich werde mitkommen
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Post by OneDay on Sept 17, 2013 22:30:18 GMT
To ensure that your MEP sees this information, use the simple tool at www.writetothem.com/ to contact all your local MEPs. I have copied the ruling into a message to all of mine and it only takes a few minutes.
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Post by Chrissie on Sept 17, 2013 22:30:45 GMT
Brilliant news
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Post by demonvape666 on Sept 18, 2013 8:24:33 GMT
This is fantastic news and good old Germany they know how to be efficient and to the point, but we have to suffer the british political bull shit and waffle as they pretend to know what they are talking about "revolution! " is what's needed lol;)
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Post by Jen on Sept 18, 2013 9:17:17 GMT
Great stuff If you're going to be using it for official MP purposes, here's my very quick translation of it so it's at least in vaguely decent English: E-cigarettes are not medicines 17 September 2013 The 13th Senate of the Higher Administrative Court today ruled in three cases that liquids containing nicotine (so-called ‘e-liquids’), which are vaporised and inhaled using e-cigarettes, are not medicines; accordingly, e-cigarettes themselves are not medical devices. In the first case, a suit was filed by a woman who runs a shop providing e-cigarettes and e-liquids in Wuppertal and who had been prohibited from selling liquids containing nicotine by the health department of the city of Wuppertal on the grounds that they are non-authorised medicines. The Düsseldorf Administrative Court dismissed her application in the first instance. On appeal, the Higher Administrative Court granted the application. The subject of the second suit was a press release by the Health Department of the state of North Rhine Westphalia of 16 December 2011, warning against selling liquids containing nicotine as they are medicines, whose unauthorised sale is punishable. Here, too, the Düsseldorf Administrative Court had rejected the application, made by a manufacturer of such liquids, to desist from making this statement even though the Higher Administrative Court had ordered the cessation of this statement in a previous emergency procedure in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia via interim order: such liquids are not medicine, they said (see press release by NRW SAC of 23 April 2012). Here, too, the Higher Administrative Court upheld the application in principal proceedings. In the third case, two businesses that manufacture and/or sell e-cigarettes and liquids containing nicotine filed a suit. They sought a court order against the Federal Institute for Drugs and Medical Products stating that the liquids were not medicines and the e-cigarettes necessary for vaporising them were not medical products. This suit had already been upheld by the Cologne Administrative Court. The Higher Administrative Court upheld this ruling on appeal. The Higher Administrative Court gave the following essential grounds for the three rulings: Liquids containing nicotine are not medicines by presentation, as they are not labelled or recommended (presented) as means for curing, mitigating or preventing illnesses. These liquids are also not medicines by function. According to settled case law of the European Court, the decision of whether a product is a medicine by function must be made on a case by case basis, taking into account all the features of the product, i.e. composition, methods of use, volume of distribution, awareness amongst users and risks of use. The application of these criteria leads to the conclusion that liquids containing nicotine are not medicines. Medicines are typically suitable for therapeutic use and have a therapeutic purpose. Liquids containing nicotine meet neither of these conditions. Consequently, these liquids are neither suitable nor intended to achieve lasting smoking cessation, they said. The Federal Centre for Health Education and the German Cancer Research Centre and the latest scientific studies all worked on this assumption. The Higher Administrative Court permitted an appeal to the Federal Administrative Court in all three cases. Document numbesr: 13 A 2448/12, 13 A 2541/12 and 13 A 1100/12
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Post by dragon on Sept 18, 2013 9:33:08 GMT
"Consequently, these liquids are neither suitable not intended to achieve lasting smoking cessation, they said." I sure hope that proof that e-cigs help people give up the stinkies, doesn't get them classed as medicine Anyone fancy a cig?
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Post by Jen on Sept 18, 2013 9:39:46 GMT
In my layman's understanding of the applicable law (which isn't great), the German system at least has two types of medicine: by presentation, and by function. Presentation means it's labelled and marketed as a medicine, function means it acts as a medicine.
So you may be right and the latter could be a bit of a minefield!
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