CE marks and testing certification

[barrynorton]

Since our campaigning to the European Parliament made frequent mention of the legislation that already governs e-cigarette devices I think we should have a thread to document checking out the certification of products being sold on the European market. (Mods, please tell me if I'm over-stepping)

There have been previous threads that have mentioned the mark and what a frequent fake mark (often called "China Export", though there's no such certification) on Chinese goods looks like, but a good summary is the Wikipedia page:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking

[barrynorton]

Allow me to start: I noticed on unpacking that, unlike the MVP, the Innokin's iTaste VTR does not carry the CE mark. I have approached Innokin to ask for the relevant certification, but since UKeCigStore claim to have been part of development as well as being an approved vendor, could you please provide this, igottheremedy

[barrynorton]

VTR CE certificate promised by @lovevaping, let's watch this space

[womble]

I think that claim about the Chinese mark being Expert China, have been proved to be a myth, that's basically what that wikipedea page says you linked to as well.

[barrynorton]

It's stated that there is no such approved marking as 'China Export', but any devices that use an incorrect logo are, by definition, non-compliant.

[Edit: re-worded the original post. Note that I'm not suggesting that we merely check the marks but ask for the independent testing certification, which is our right an consumers, that justify affixing the mark. If there's no mark at all on the device, its boxing or documentation then the manufacturer's not even making any such claim and the device is not fit for retail in the EU]

[Brambles]

This is a relavent link regarding CE marking and comformity of products and who is responsible.
www.gov.uk/ce-marking

I think there are many of the smaller vendors and a few larger ones who are importing products from china who really do not know what the requirements are and are falling short of their obligations.

[chykensa]

This is interesting, I have started looking more carefully at packaging now, and I'll report back as soon as I've been through what's left before binning!

[womble]

Oct 9, 2013 16:44:36 GMT barrynorton said:

It's stated that there is no such approved marking as 'China Export', but any devices that use an incorrect logo are, by definition, non-compliant.

Yes, I presume there are fake CE marks out there, but the idea that Chinese companies are putting on a slightly different CE mark and it meaning China Export, seems to be disproved AFAICS.

[barrynorton]

Yes, I think you're right. As I say, the important thing is to ask to see certification scans, check for an official stamp, then check out the company that made the certification looks sound.

[OneDay]

Just to be clear, the CE symbol does not have to appear with the grid showing as in the OP picture. The grid is there merely to demonstrate the correct formation, spacing and size of the two letters.

[barrynorton]

Hehe, hadn't thought that would be confusing.

[barrynorton]

Just a quick update - Innokin, who've emailed me back with 24 hours for a few days running - have completely ignored my request to see CE testing certification on the VTR so far.

I'd love to see this from one of the UK re-sellers as I'm getting genuinely suspicious (though it's printed on the manual - which is sufficient for compliance, as far as I understand it - even though it's not on the device).

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Oct 9, 2013 16:17:06 GMT barrynorton said:

VTR CE certificate promised by @lovevaping, let's watch this space

Dear barrynorton,

As per earlier post the VTR CE Certification can be view on our webpage under Information -> Compliance -> iTaste VTR, or by following the below link:
love-vaping.com/pdf/cert/VTRCE.pdf

[barrynorton]

Many thanks for following up on this.

Isn't it interesting that Innokin wrote back to me on 11th October, claiming that certification was complete but ignoring my request for a copy, and suggesting that the lack of a mark (which is present on all their other devices I have) on the body was an oversight - then finally produce a certificate dated October 28th.

Would anyone contradict me if I suggested that the reason the VTR ships without a CE mark if that it was sent out untested, due to all the last minute production issues and revisions, and that the CE mark on the documentation was, at the time, fraudulent?