Are We Smokers?

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Oct 22, 2013 18:29:20 GMT glentoran said:

Oct 22, 2013 18:21:07 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

They don't detect nicotine or indeed any co or co2 ....  they are used purely to determine lung function ie: how quickly you can dispel a quantity of air, how long it takes you and the quantity of air that you have expelled.

ahh right.  would be interesting to know. My breathing fitness is definitely improved in the few weeks vaping. I can do burpees and jump jacks now without dropping.

That is because the very fine chambers in the air ways of your lungs are gradually clearing themselves of all the tar and muck. As they do so, your lung capacity increases and you can take in more oxygen with each breath and don't get tired or out of breath as easily as you did in the past.

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Oct 22, 2013 18:35:03 GMT womble said:

Oct 22, 2013 17:43:35 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

My COPD doctor knows that I am a vaper and my medical records have me as a non smoker since August 2008. Check with your own GP what he/she has you classed as.

All the insurance companies have their own rules though, nothing to do with your GP.

As a layman, I can only take the opinion of a medical expert as to whether or not I am a  "non smoker" and that is what I would put down on an insurance proposal questionaire. If the insurance company want to argue about it then let them argue with my COPD doctor who is a specialist in respiratory illness.

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We had a medical at work a couple of years ago and my lung capacity was actually higherthan some fitness freaks in my office! Itmay have something to do with your lungs having to work harder because of all the muck in them.
So I wonder what it would read now
On the co2 mmeter thing, I do one when I was on the patches through boots, before my first one I had a cig on the way there and it was off the chart! But at least it was always lower the following weeks! That was another failed attempt before finding vaping :-) not had a cig for almost 21 months!

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Obviously we can't help it if some companies lump us in with smokers but it's important we count ourselves as non smokers in day to day life to change people's perception of vaping.
No point taking risks with insurance though. As Karma says, just check with them to see if vaping counts as smoking for them, it doesn't hurt to ask but it might hurt later if you make a claim that's voided.

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Oct 22, 2013 18:21:07 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

Oct 22, 2013 18:08:58 GMT glentoran said:

do insurance co's / doctors have you blowing in that pipe thing to check? You know like the ones they have you doing on smoking quit courses to check carbon monoxide I think.

Anyone done one of these lately btw? would they come clear? they did on me when I was on the nic patches

They don't detect nicotine or indeed any co or co2 ....  they are used purely to determine lung function ie: how quickly you can dispel a quantity of air, how long it takes you and the quantity of air that you have expelled.


Sorry ffs, but some cessation services do use co monitors, which measure the amount of carbon monoxide exhaled.  These would not be affected by vaping .

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Oct 22, 2013 19:02:57 GMT lal said:

Oct 22, 2013 18:21:07 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

They don't detect nicotine or indeed any co or co2 ....  they are used purely to determine lung function ie: how quickly you can dispel a quantity of air, how long it takes you and the quantity of air that you have expelled.


Sorry ffs, but some cessation services do use co monitors, which measure the amount of carbon monoxide exhaled.  These would not be affected by vaping .

My mistake lal  .. I am only aware of the lung capacity assessment machine which my COPD doctor uses.  I was unaware of any other sort of "blow into" device including the DD breathalyser lol.

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Oct 22, 2013 18:45:26 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

Oct 22, 2013 18:35:03 GMT womble said:

All the insurance companies have their own rules though, nothing to do with your GP.

As a layman, I can only take the opinion of a medical expert as to whether or not I am a  "non smoker" and that is what I would put down on an insurance proposal questionaire. If the insurance company want to argue about it then let them argue with my COPD doctor who is a specialist in respiratory illness.

As silentscream says, don't take risks with insurance. The argument is not what is your doctors idea of not smoking, it's the insurance companies.

If it's there in the T&C's and it will be, then you are on to a loser if you try to beat it.

Pick an insurance company that classes vaping as not smoking, although I have no idea which company has which policy. Has anyone done an article on it?

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Hmmm, think I will see what my GP says then hopefully when I contact the insurers I can say My GP classes me as a non smoker, whats your policy?

Good luck with the IVF Roscopecotrain My step son is IVF and is very special to all of the family. I have been told in no uncertain terms though that I cant present him with a test tube on his 18th birthday