Second Hand Gear?

[xs2man]

So...

I have been trawling through the classifieds on a few different forums, as I'm considering a hybrid, or a quality mod of some description (£100+) as a treat for breaking the 4 month barrier.  

And I find myself shocked at what people are asking for second hand gear.  For example, asking £110 for a second hand atty that can be bought new for £120.  Now I'm more used to second hand stuff being cheaper than new stuff, by a considerable margin.  But that's less than 10%, so less than the discount you are likely to get with a half-decent discount code.

Even assuming there was no discount code, do people actually buy gear second hand that is so close in price to new, it's pretty much a no brainer to go for the new?  I mean, if I was willing to spend over 100 sheets on an atty, I think I can afford the extra tenner for the new stuff.

And this doesn't appear to be an isolated case here.  Most of the higher end stuff is 85-95% or rrp.  I would have thought closer to 70% for second hand would still be strong.  It certainly is with most other second hand goods.  But in the vaping world, brass balls seem to be the norm, and pretty much expected.  I understand it to an extend on limited runs of stuff, that are no longer available new, but a lot of this stuff doesn't fall into that category.

Is it just me being a cheapskate?  Or is this the norm in these circles?  I mean there doesn't even seem to be any bartering going on.  I have PM'd some people asking for something I would consider relatively small, like £10-£20 off items asking £120-150 for and ALWAYS get a response of "no chance".  Is it just me?  If I was trying to sell something at 95% or RRP, and was asked to knock 5-10% off, I think I would be jumping at the chance.  To lose only £15 on an item like this, after me getting the use for however long, seems to me a bargain, but there is no bartering with some of these people.

I guess I will have to buy new really, as I refuse to accept such little discount on second hand gear.

Rant over...   icon_shoppingm

[ukric]

Its like anything in this world, supply/demand.

The way I see it people can ask what they want, it's up to the buyer to decide if it's worth it to them.

The fact is with supply and demand the way it is someone will buy it. If people don't want to shell out their hard earned no one is forcing them to. If people would rather buy the original than save the small amount that's cool too. But there will always be someone willing to pay the prices being asked.

I was recently in the market for a Diver, there were loads going at £30, but I didn't want to pay any more than £28 delivered.. I didn't buy. I waited until someone put one up for £26 and grabbed it.

Flippers for example get a lot of stick, and I'm not defending them, but someone is buying.

[Jerri]

Something is only worth what the buyer will pay for it.

If I'm buying an atty with an RRP of £130 and can get it for £110ish in the classifieds why would I pay the extra?

A vast amount of vape gear doesn't come with anything more than a DOA warranty so that's not an issue and I've not yet met a vaper who uses the high end stuff that doesn't look after it immaculately.

And most people in that situation sell to buy something else. Knocking too much off makes it not worth selling.

It comes down to personal preference. I don't buy second hand at all to be honest. But have no issue buying second hand vape stuff because I know it will be well looked after.

Another reason I don't mind is because people on this forum, in general are absolutely lovely and will go out of their way to help others, so I've no wish to gouge them for a massive reduction. if a seller has something I want, they can sell it to buy whatever new stuff they want and I get what I want a few £ cheaper. It's win win.

[Perpetua]

Pretty much what's already been said from me xs2man . . . if I were selling a sought after or no longer in production item, I'd be asking more or less what I paid for it. Similarly as a buyer of such an item, I'd be expecting to pay that price.

Mass produced or readily available items, then I'd be happy with what I could get for it if it's of no further use to me. I should think like many of us on here, I've given away stuff at various vape meets that I no longer require . . . so I've no qualms not taking too much of a hit on something that I'd rather keep than give it away.

Not that I sell anything much as I can't bear parting with it.

[Deleted]

Market forces will always rule ... if it's a much sought after item that is in short supply and I really wanted it then I would probably be prepared to pay even more than the original rrp. On the other hand if it was a readily available item I would be prepared to pay between 50 - 75% of the rrp depending on how long the seller had owned it.

When selling things I am usually happy with 50% of what I paid as I hate having stuff that I no longer use lying around .... hoarder I ain't.

[Perpetua]

Nov 24, 2013 7:04:52 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

 .... hoarder I ain't.

Wish I wasn't Freefrom.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2013 7:10:21 GMT Perpetua said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:04:52 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

 .... hoarder I ain't.

Wish I wasn't Freefrom.

You are like my brother Perps  ... he throws nothing away, with the excuse "you never know when it might come in handy"  ....  he still has his Bay City Rollers tartan trousers from the 70s  ... he weighed about 9 stones then and now weighs about 14 stones now  ???

[Perpetua]

Nov 24, 2013 7:20:15 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:10:21 GMT Perpetua said:

Wish I wasn't Freefrom.

You are like my brother Perps  ... he throws nothing away, with the excuse "you never know when it might come in handy"  ....  he still has his Bay City Rollers tartan trousers from the 70s  ... he weighed about 9 stones then and now weighs about 14 stones now  ???

I'm not quite that bad Freefrom . . . though I do hang onto stuff thinking it will ' come in ' . . . . . it never does.

I've not long blitzed my wardrobes and taken 7/8 huge bin liners to the Charity shop, boots/shoes/clothes some of which I've never had on my back. It hurt at the time, but I did feel very virtuous a couple of days later after the deed.

Best I take the small furry one out now . . . at least I won't be tempted to add to the collections, as Jason's drawers will probably be cleared by the time we return.

[Deleted]

Nov 24, 2013 7:25:38 GMT Perpetua said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:20:15 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

You are like my brother Perps  ... he throws nothing away, with the excuse "you never know when it might come in handy"  ....  he still has his Bay City Rollers tartan trousers from the 70s  ... he weighed about 9 stones then and now weighs about 14 stones now  ???

I'm not quite that bad Freefrom . . . though I do hang onto stuff thinking it will ' come in ' . . . . . it never does.

I've not long blitzed my wardrobes and taken 7/8 huge bin liners to the Charity shop, boots/shoes/clothes some of which I've never had on my back. It hurt at the time, but I did feel very virtuous a couple of days later after the deed.

Best I take the small furry one out now . . . at least I won't be tempted to add to the collections, as Jason's drawers will probably be cleared by the time we return.

You feeling OK? ....   deliberately avoiding a spending opportunity 

[300]

For the stuff that's in demand buying new isn't always an easy option.

Some people buy to try, searching for their Nirvana & sell it on after barely a week & some items listed in classies will be 3rd & 4th hand but most high end stuff will be as new, as long as it's 'as described' & the buyer is happy with the deal i don't see the problem.

You do see the odd listing that raises an eyebrow (price wise), i've never paid RRP or above & on the flip side you do see the odd bargain, i haven't bought or traded anything from the classies that i wasn't happy with, the trick is to know what you want & how much you want to pay & ignore everything else.

[griffon10]

market forces brings the price down eventually when supply catches up with demand. when kayfuns first started and were hard to come by you could sell a second hand one for nearly the same as new. now they are a lot easier to get hold of and if you look on most sites you can pick one up for around £80 instead of £110. and like someone else said high end mods and atties are usually well looked after. simple answer if you don't think its a fair price then don't but it.

[sammy13]

Nov 24, 2013 7:25:38 GMT Perpetua said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:20:15 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

You are like my brother Perps  ... he throws nothing away, with the excuse "you never know when it might come in handy"  ....  he still has his Bay City Rollers tartan trousers from the 70s  ... he weighed about 9 stones then and now weighs about 14 stones now  ???

I'm not quite that bad Freefrom . . . though I do hang onto stuff thinking it will ' come in ' . . . . . it never does.

I've not long blitzed my wardrobes and taken 7/8 huge bin liners to the Charity shop, boots/shoes/clothes some of which I've never had on my back. It hurt at the time, but I did feel very virtuous a couple of days later after the deed.

Best I take the small furry one out now . . . at least I won't be tempted to add to the collections, as Jason's drawers will probably be cleared by the time we return.

I do a trip to the charity shop every month, each time a different shop.

Some months its just one bin liner, books - which I bought from there, and a few clothes or bits and pieces.

I have a motto, if you have not used it in 6 months , you never will- get rid.

Last xmas between myself and 2 neighbours I delivered 55 bin liners to a couple of charities.

I will be doing it again this year, only since going monthly I now do not have much to add myself.

 

[Gary Horder]

Nov 24, 2013 7:10:21 GMT Perpetua said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:04:52 GMT @freefromsmoking said:

 .... hoarder I ain't.

Wish I wasn't Freefrom.

.... horder I am. 

[sammy13]

Nov 24, 2013 18:25:39 GMT Gary Horder said:

Nov 24, 2013 7:10:21 GMT Perpetua said:

Wish I wasn't Freefrom.

.... horder I am. 

Just think to youself, there are hundreds of people on the streets this winter.

How many coats, fleeces, blankets do you have?

These people need them, you don't.

Why have anything you do not need in your home when other people need them? 

[Gary Horder]

Nov 24, 2013 19:45:59 GMT sammy13 said:

Nov 24, 2013 18:25:39 GMT Gary Horder said:

.... horder I am. 

Just think to youself, there are hundreds of people on the streets this winter.

How many coats, fleeces, blankets do you have?

These people need them, you don't.

Why have anything you do not need in your home when other people need them? 

errr ... look at my name !!!! jeez ..