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Post by a1laserboy on Jan 22, 2014 11:48:58 GMT
When I suggested unprotected batteries, I was assuming that the battery used would be an IMR, not an ICR. That is a good point FFS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 11:54:23 GMT
No worries mate and no offence meant ... I was just concerned that a newbie might take it to mean that he could safely use unprotected ICRs in a mech
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Post by boyofford on Jan 22, 2014 11:58:59 GMT
You can get higher wattages with mech mods though by using lower ohms coils, thats where the real advantages come in, along with more dangers though so read up! Mines currently running a single coil at 1.1 ohms which gives about 16 watts when battery running full charge. But had dual coil giving 0.7 ohms which gave 26 watts (providing battery giving out 4.3v, but reading about maybe they only give 4.2v) For this you need a good battery, mine has 10amps discharge limit so 0.7 ohms is approaching its limt, can't find link to work this out now though. You can get batteries which allow 30amp discharge to allow for lower ohms too. A 0.7 ohm coil at 4.2 volts will draw 6 amps (current = volts/resistance) Come to think of it, someone told me that(maybe even you, can't remember lol), so I'm well within safe area. Still a newbie with this stuff.
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Post by markm on Jan 22, 2014 12:02:11 GMT
doesnt 16 or 26 watts fry the juice then. The juice is fried if it's not being fed fast enough by the wicks, get a good juice feed going and almost any power could be applied. I run considerably higher wattages than most and my main problem (if any) is flooding rather than dry hits.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 12:06:06 GMT
A 0.7 ohm coil at 4.2 volts will draw 6 amps (current = volts/resistance) Come to think of it, someone told me that(maybe even you, can't remember lol), so I'm well within safe area. Still a newbie with this stuff. LOL ... there are two electrical equations that are useful to vapers: Volts = amps x resistance and Watts = (volts x volts) / resistance
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Post by VapingBad on Jan 22, 2014 12:32:10 GMT
I know all of that and only use IMR batteries myself as they are indeed reckoned to be safer than ICR batteries ... however it is wrong to tell someone not use protected batteries in a mech mod ... if anything he should have advised not to use unprotected ICR batteries ... his statement might lead someone (like the OP clivealive1 ), who wasn't aware of IMR safe chemistry batteries, to use unprotected ICR batteries which offer no protection at all. If you don't have or can't afford IMR batteries then protected ICR is the next best choice. I agree with you re unprotected ICR batteries, but I did not advise to use these and I certainly did not "tell" anyone "not use protected batteries in a mech mod". Unprotected ICR are generally cheap no name cr4p bottom of the barrel and only used in protected devices, even then I would avoid these. Most of the safer chemistry are not true IMR, true IMR won't over charge, most of the safer chemistry batteries will so talking about IMR rather than safer chemistry can be misleading.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 13:15:38 GMT
I know all of that and only use IMR batteries myself as they are indeed reckoned to be safer than ICR batteries ... however it is wrong to tell someone not use protected batteries in a mech mod ... if anything he should have advised not to use unprotected ICR batteries ... his statement might lead someone (like the OP clivealive1 ), who wasn't aware of IMR safe chemistry batteries, to use unprotected ICR batteries which offer no protection at all. If you don't have or can't afford IMR batteries then protected ICR is the next best choice. I agree with you re unprotected ICR batteries, but I did not advise to use these and I certainly did not "tell" anyone "not use protected batteries in a mech mod". Unprotected ICR are generally cheap no name cr4p bottom of the barrel and only used in protected devices, even then I would avoid these. Most of the safer chemistry are not true IMR, true IMR won't over charge, most of the safer chemistry batteries will so talking about IMR rather than safer chemistry can be misleading. If you re-read the post you will see that I did not accuse you of anything ... I referred to "he" as in A1laserboy who made the statement.
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Post by VapingBad on Jan 22, 2014 17:02:24 GMT
So I was imaging that big box with "vapingbad said:" at the top of your post.
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Post by clivealive1 on Jan 22, 2014 17:17:16 GMT
if i get a mech I will be sure to get imr but thinking I could use the little IMR18350 V1 3.7v or IMR18650 V1 3.7v that I have already although might not be a long vap I guess. its all a bit more complicated than i thought. thought buy one put the battery in and away I would go. the ohm rule calc helps though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 17:20:16 GMT
So I was imaging that big box with "vapingbad said:" at the top of your post. I was responding to your post in which you questioned my criticism of A1lazerboy's post. As I was quoting your post that is why "vapingbad said" is above your quote ... see posts 8 and 9 on page one. I feel I was justified in my criticism of A1laserboy's post and in fact he has acknowledged this in the first post of this page. To avoid this merry-go-round going on ad infinitum and the thread being completely hijacked, I am leaving of this thread and perhaps you should do the same.
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Post by VapingBad on Jan 22, 2014 17:25:37 GMT
clivealive1 they should be fine down to 0.66 ohm, but they drop in performance at double that resistance for steel, so if I were you stick above an ohm for those. I think the size of 350 batteries limits the performance giving a big voltage drop below about 1.3 ohm, at least that's my experience with steel wicks. I find them OK for Kayfun @ 1.2 ohm, still not as good as similar rated 18650.
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Post by VapingBad on Jan 22, 2014 17:34:39 GMT
I was responding to your post in which you questioned my criticism of A1lazerboy's post. As I was quoting your post that is why "vapingbad said" is above your quote ... see posts 8 and 9 on page one. I feel I was justified in my criticism of A1laserboy's post and in fact he has acknowledged this in the first post of this page. To avoid this merry-go-round going on ad infinitum and the thread being completely hijacked, I am leaving of this thread and perhaps you should do the same. I didn't make any post questioning your criticism of A1lazerboy's post. I still have no idea why you criticised my post #8 in your post #11.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 17:38:48 GMT
I was responding to your post in which you questioned my criticism of A1lazerboy's post. As I was quoting your post that is why "vapingbad said" is above your quote ... see posts 8 and 9 on page one. I feel I was justified in my criticism of A1laserboy's post and in fact he has acknowledged this in the first post of this page. To avoid this merry-go-round going on ad infinitum and the thread being completely hijacked, I am leaving of this thread and perhaps you should do the same. I didn't make any post questioning your criticism of A1lazerboy's post. I still have no idea why you criticised my post #8 in your post #11.
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Post by chykensa on Jan 22, 2014 17:47:18 GMT
OK folks, let's not ruin what is promising to be a good informative thread (especially for me, expecting my first mech mod from FT sometime later this year!!) with carping about who criticised whom in thread #XX. Let just agree that using unprotected batteries in a mech mod is not very clever, and IMR are better than ICR. Could we please now continue with the discussion that was pre-sniping - thanks v. much
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 17:53:07 GMT
I quite agree Andy which is why I posted: To avoid this merry-go-round going on ad infinitum and the thread being completely hijacked, I am leaving of this thread and perhaps you should do the same. I apologise to all for my part in this nonsense.
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