7 Huge Consequences of An EUCigBan (infographic)

[james]

Thank you to everyone who answed our recent survey on an EU Ecig Ban.

We've now published the results in an infographic form, which you can see here: www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2014/02/eu-ecig-ban-return-smoking.html

Let me know what you think!

[Carpe Vapor]

I think you can never get anything close to accurate results by polling just over 1% of e-cig users - The stats on the infomercial may as well have be made up.

[djs]

I would think that people "say" they would go back to cigarettes regardless of if they would. It's bribery.

I approve.

I'm not going back. No chance. I'll vape zero and get my nicotine through another delivery method. (tab, patch, spray, whatever's cheap)

[Carpe Vapor]

I just re-read my reply and it sounded a bit harsh.

What I really mean is you should stick to the number of users who took the survey and not try and apply it on such a large scale

[djs]

Feb 17, 2014 18:39:14 GMT Carpe Vapor said:

I just re-read my reply and it sounded a bit harsh.

Not really.... 8 out of 10 cats prefer GVC (or whatever). 76 out of 119 respondents prefer Salon Selective over Supermarket brands.

Just because it's vaping and we all care, doesn't mean we should overlook the old expression about statistics.

Doesn't matter if it's 6% or 60%, people going back to smoking on any level is a disaster.

Like I said.... for all our purposes (Vapers, Vendors) people threatening to go back is one of our trump cards.

[boyofford]

Feb 17, 2014 18:34:27 GMT djs said:

I would think that people "say" they would go back to cigarettes regardless of if they would. It's bribery.

I approve.

I'm not going back. No chance. I'll vape zero and get my nicotine through another delivery method. (tab, patch, spray, whatever's cheap)

I think it may be the other way round, people hope the won't go back to smoking say they won't(easy to say when you've got nicotine in your system!)

[Pepperty]

I must admit - if they announced tomorrow that a pack of 20 ciggies will cost £1 ...I would continue vaping but if they took vaping away from me, I'd freak and probably be lured back to the dreaded habit, but thats only because I'm only 4 months in.

a years time I hope to be less dependant on nicotine (through mixing lower) but I'd like to vape for pleasure regardless

[fiddles]

Feb 17, 2014 18:47:24 GMT djs said:

Like I said.... for all our purposes (Vapers, Vendors) people threatening to go back is one of our trump cards.

Why is it a trump card ?
The Governments want us to go back to smoking, it is all about money they are losing too much revenue too quick, they are only concerned with balancing the books not human lives

The thinking is something along these lines

figures might be inaccurate (just grabbing from top of head & making others up)

if every one quit smoking today

Government would loose over 12 billion in taxes
NHS would still see financial burden of 4 billion but would slowly decrease of time
more people will live to draw pensions
will probably get other ailments so extra cost to nhs

Overall its far cheaper for government if you carry on smoking & die early

[djs]

Feb 17, 2014 19:47:30 GMT fiddles said:

Why is it a trump card ?
The Governments want us to go back to smoking, it is all about money they are losing too much revenue too quick, they are only concerned with balancing the books not human lives

Maybe, but I feel the tide is turning. I told my MP I would go back. Whether that is true or not, he believed the suggestion that many would go back to smoking.

The way I see it (hope) is that regardless of the financial implications people threatening to go back is better (for us) than existing vapers saying they would certainly give up both.... which isn't likely.

But t.b.h. I don't know.

[james]

If you look at studies like this, it's actually a fairly large sample - 1,000 is generally considered sufficient. (Some of the passive smoking studies which have been used to make claims about a connection between lung cancer and second hand smoke have been based on just a 100 or so people.)

It's also an established way to measure opinion. Opinion polls are accepted because it is impossible to ask every person in the country how they would vote, just as it's impossible to ask 1.5 million people what they would do. Of course, some measure of error is expected, but I think it's clear that many people would return to smoking.

As for making up the stats, many of the people on this forum can tell you they answered the poll But I did anticipate the accusation of bias (if I understand it correctly I think you were trying to look at it from the point of view of a critic?), and my position is that while we're not the best people to carry out this sort of study, the people who should have carried out an impact assessment (EU commission, ASH, MHRA e.t.c.) didn't. So if we wanted any sort of assessment of the impact of vaping restrictions on smoking we were going to have to do it ourselves, despite the fact we would undoubtedly face these sorts of accusations. If it makes regulaters even think more about what they are doing we'll have achieved something.

Feb 17, 2014 18:26:12 GMT Carpe Vapor said:

I think you can never get anything close to accurate results by polling just over 1% of e-cig users - The stats on the infomercial may as well have be made up.

[Deleted]

You know the e-cig ban is one reason why a heavily dependent nicotine addict is trying to wean herself off the stuff. Her way and in her time. Yes I have pressure from friends saying how 'bad' nicotine is but these are the same friends who say coffee is bad and I should drink more tea. They can go take a hike with my nicotine.

I'm doing the 6 week (approx - sometimes as little as 3 or 4 weeks) 1mg/ml reduction and it's working. I'm sitting here with the decorators - heavy alcohol and stinkies dependent and not even craving on. I've been on 8mg/ml for 10 days. Now if it were the first week since making my reduction I'm sure I'd have had a stinkie but know my e-cig can handle it so why worry?