EU Press release Q & A New rules

[sammy13]

Feb 26, 2014 22:51:35 GMT djs said:

Evods are in? Protanks are out.

If I have multiple Protanks, can I buy evod coils?

Now, where's my nic base?

(better get some more RBAs)

Coils - good question, I would think yes, but as I say I am totally lost.
I have had a busy day today, and have had to arrange a care home for a friend , getting something suitable for her last moments, then tried reading through it all, internet keeps cutting out, it's now 11pm and I am still in my coat ???

[markm]

Article 18 is not realy detailed enough to know what the implications will be.
For the detail we will get that from uk legislation, which could go either way.
It would be possible for parliament to take a light handed approach within
The directive, which wouldn't be too bad (or loose enough for us to dodge round)
On the other hand any of the elements
Could be taken to extremes that would outlaw everything.
They can even go with med regs only, which would also sink us.
We need to all pester our MPs and keep them from taking the harshest view.

[djs]

Feb 26, 2014 22:59:59 GMT markm said:

It would be possible for parliament to take a light handed approach within
The directive, which wouldn't be too bad (or loose enough for us to dodge round)
On the other hand any of the elements
Could be taken to extremes that would outlaw everything.

yes, Nicki Sinclair MEP mentioned "Gold Plating" EU laws.

If they gold plate in the UK, it's goodbye Vaping.

[kibbster]

Feb 26, 2014 22:59:59 GMT markm said:

Article 18 is not realy detailed enough to know what the implications will be.
For the detail we will get that from uk legislation, which could go either way.
It would be possible for parliament to take a light handed approach within
The directive, which wouldn't be too bad (or loose enough for us to dodge round)
On the other hand any of the elements
Could be taken to extremes that would outlaw everything.
They can even go with med regs only, which would also sink us.
We need to all pester our MPs and keep them from taking the harshest view.

That is very true.
The next battle is in the UK, MPs are listening to us (unless they are Labour) and we've got further in the last 6 months than anyone could have imagined.
Six months ago we were sunk and we are still here and vaping, for now.

We need to write to our MPs on masse and get them to back us when the UK gets to make it's decisions on how it implements it's interpretation of the TPD.
It won't be better than the TPD for us, but it's down to us stop the UK making it worse than the TPD.

[kibbster]

Ok so it's the day after the morning before and I've been doing some more reading up on this.

Panic aside, it still has to be ratified by all member states (apparently though that's certain to go through.)
Then the member states have to write their own laws with the EU TPD limit as the maximum (I suspect most will use the TPD as guidance and just write the TPD into national law.)

We have to write to our MPs who will soon be involved in that process, the process will have to be debated and could take quite a while but start dialogue early with your MP gives you more time to turn them around if they are anti.
Also visit your MP and show them you are a human being and the devices you use.

Finally vape openly and vape proud, this is now a hearts and minds battle on our home turf, we need as many people on side as possible including the general public because public opinion will sway the tone of the new law in the UK.
All the MPs want to keep their jobs remember.

The battle isn't over and in a way it's got easier because our MPs are directly responsible to us, unlike MEPs and our votes count!

[kibbster]

To add:

Once this does become UK law, the UK vapers/ trade bodies can take the UK government to court and get it overthrown.
But until something is implemented there's nothing to take to court.

On time scales, no one really knows.
The maximum time frame is mid-late 2016, but the work will have to start on the UK version of the TPD long before that.
Knowing how desperate the UK government is to retain it's £12 billion tobacco revenue a year, expect it to be sooner rather than later.

You can also bet your arse that Big pharma is already lobbying the UK Gov on your behalf.
I wouldn't really let them speak for you on E-cigs, if you don't let your MP know what you want then my guess is they'll go with the Pharma view on ecigs.

[jeffc]

sammy13 This explains it in simple terms.

www.redheadfullofsteam.com/why-tpd-article-20-should-bother-you/

[toots]

Mar 11, 2014 17:54:14 GMT jeffc said:

sammy13 This explains it in simple terms.

www.redheadfullofsteam.com/why-tpd-article-20-should-bother-you/

I had already seen that article - thought it was brilliant

[sammy13]

Mar 11, 2014 17:54:14 GMT jeffc said:

sammy13 This explains it in simple terms.

www.redheadfullofsteam.com/why-tpd-article-20-should-bother-you/

Thank you

edit - read it and yes it bothers me