Bit Of Info Please

[halight]

Hi all.
I hope this is an ok place to post ask this. If not could a  mod move the thread to the right place.

As a bit of a newbie to Vapeing Could I have some info on what the new EU regs will be come 2016, Dose anyone know were will will stand on Buying Juice and personal Vapers ?

 I'm a confused with it all. Sorry if this Info has already been posted on the forum and Iv missed it. 



Thanks In advance  

Hal

[djs]

You can discuss this here.

We are not 100% sure.

According to ECITA, we are in trouble. Liquid over 20mg illegal. Bottles over 10ml, also gone. Clearomisers over 2ml illegal... but actually, it gets worse, and they cannot be rebuildable..... and have to deliver a consistent dose... which means they could be banned as well.

here's some of it...

All currently available refillable products would be banned; they do not “have a mechanism that ensures refilling without leakage”. Yup, everything refillable on the market is banned by the TPD. It’s also worth noting that the responsibility for designing a mechanism for this purpose lies with the European Commission (EC); not exactly the world’s leading e-cig experts.

Rebuildables – banned. The TPD requires that “electronic cigarettes and refill containers are child- and tamper-proof”. Rebuilding the internals of your atomiser is the very epitome of tampering.

Replaceable heads (as found in many clearomisers) – probably banned. The ability to change the head on your atomiser could very well be seen as tampering, and when the possibility of rebuilding the heads exists, well, that’s definitely tampering!

Every tank over 2ml – banned.

Buy your e-liquid in 30ml (or larger) bottles? Tough luck, everything over 10ml is… banned.

Vari-volt and vari-watt products – either totally gone, or reduced to single model. The TPD requires that products to be placed on the market provide (6 months before placing on the market):

[joojitsoo]

Apr 18, 2014 18:59:27 GMT djs said:

You can discuss this here.

We are not 100% sure.

According to ECITA, we are in trouble. Liquid over 20mg illegal. Bottles over 10ml, also gone. Clearomisers over 2ml illegal... but actually, it gets worse, and they cannot be rebuildable..... and have to deliver a consistent dose... which means they could be banned as well.

here's some of it...

All currently available refillable products would be banned; they do not “have a mechanism that ensures refilling without leakage”. Yup, everything refillable on the market is banned by the TPD. It’s also worth noting that the responsibility for designing a mechanism for this purpose lies with the European Commission (EC); not exactly the world’s leading e-cig experts.

Rebuildables – banned. The TPD requires that “electronic cigarettes and refill containers are child- and tamper-proof”. Rebuilding the internals of your atomiser is the very epitome of tampering.

Replaceable heads (as found in many clearomisers) – probably banned. The ability to change the head on your atomiser could very well be seen as tampering, and when the possibility of rebuilding the heads exists, well, that’s definitely tampering!

Every tank over 2ml – banned.

Buy your e-liquid in 30ml (or larger) bottles? Tough luck, everything over 10ml is… banned.

Vari-volt and vari-watt products – either totally gone, or reduced to single model. The TPD requires that products to be placed on the market provide (6 months before placing on the market):

Have you got a link to the source please mate

[halight]

I'm only on 20mg anyway so that bit don't really effect me.

But It looks like at it's worse They would only let you buy the cig-a-like's . That would effect me as I got on ok with them but they were never something that I could use all the time they just did not hit the "spot" so to speak.

[djs]

Apr 18, 2014 19:19:14 GMT joojitsoo said:

Have you got a link to the source please mate

Yes, ECITA blog. I read it, despite my utter, incandescent and totally irretrievable rage at ECITA and their "godfathers"...

www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/what-impact-will-the-tpd-have-on-the-market/

[joojitsoo]

Apr 18, 2014 20:06:08 GMT djs said:

Apr 18, 2014 19:19:14 GMT joojitsoo said:

Have you got a link to the source please mate

Yes, ECITA blog. I read it, despite my utter, incandescent and totally irretrievable rage at ECITA and their "godfathers"...

www.ecita.org.uk/blog/index.php/what-impact-will-the-tpd-have-on-the-market/

Cheers fella, going to have a read now, this is some serious blood boiling shit !!

[CaptainChaos]

What about people who already have rebuildables/variable everything, or is it just about NEW stuff being unavailable?

[joojitsoo]

Customer choice? – Gone!

What is the ultimate outcome of this assault on customer choice? Well, the Chinese manufacturers will still be there, so it will be trivially easy for a black market to spring up, and given the demonstrated demand, it clearly will. This over-regulation of e-cigs will therefore make the products in people’s hands LESS REGULATED THAN THEY ARE NOW. Is the man selling e-cigs from his Transit van in the pub car park going to be testing the quality of his eliquid? Is he going to give a guarantee? Is he going to care about exploding batteries? Is he going to be around to answer any of these questions when something goes wrong, or will he have disappeared in a cloud of black market vapour? A black market = zero traceability and zero accountability.



Proportionate?

Sensible?

Protects consumers?

Certainly doesn’t look that way to us! In fact, it looks more like it’s designed to protect the existing businesses within the nicotine market and destroy the pesky newcomers, who were on target to cripple the Tobacco Industry within a decade.

That's what its all about !!!

[Deleted]

Bottles of juice limited to 10ml
Refillables to be banned
Am i being dim or have i missed something. What have i to do with my 10ml bottle if i've got nothing to refill 

[joojitsoo]

Apr 18, 2014 20:17:36 GMT @tubthumper said:

Bottles of juice limited to 10ml
Refillables to be banned
Am i being dim or have i missed something. What have i to do with my 10ml bottle if i've got nothing to refill 

LOL that's a very good point

edit just seen this

And to those optimists that say “So what, I’ll just mix my own flavours”:
How will you get your own liquids into a EU-vaporizer?
It all depends on what the Commission concocts as “refill mechanism”.
Remember: Refill bottles have to be tamperproof too!
So certainly no more: Remove nozzle top, fill with your liquid, afix top again.
And they’ll certainly need a specific couterpart for the refill concoction. No more simple needle caps.

A 10ml bottle wont be a 10ml bottle as we know it, it will be some pricey manufactured bottle device, no doubt supplied by B&H or Lambert and Butler .... tossers

[ceedee]

Apr 18, 2014 20:17:36 GMT @tubthumper said:

Bottles of juice limited to 10ml
Refillables to be banned
Am i being dim or have i missed something. What have i to do with my 10ml bottle if i've got nothing to refill 

I expect that the EC will invent a new method of refilling tanks using a one-way valve that only special bottle nozzles will fit.
And you can bet your bottom dollar that the valves will cost £100 and the nozzles £5 each.

[Postmodern Smoking]

Apr 18, 2014 20:42:42 GMT joojitsoo said:

Apr 18, 2014 20:17:36 GMT @tubthumper said:

Bottles of juice limited to 10ml
Refillables to be banned
Am i being dim or have i missed something. What have i to do with my 10ml bottle if i've got nothing to refill 

LOL that's a very good point

.... You mean that's a very worrying point!!

Here's what the EU directive says:
"g) electronic cigarettes and refill containers are child- and tamper-proof, are protected against breakage and leakage and have a mechanism that ensures refilling without leakage."

Currently there aren't any refillable ecigs that are child and tamperproof, nor is there a mechanism to refill one without leakage.

i.e. it looks like there isn't an ecig that would satisfy the requirements of the TPD. = Very worrying indeed!

Please sign the European Free Vaping Initiative (EFVI) to try to give Vapers a voice in all this.

[CaptainChaos]

Signed

[joojitsoo]

Apr 18, 2014 20:58:46 GMT Postmodern Smoking said:

Apr 18, 2014 20:42:42 GMT joojitsoo said:

LOL that's a very good point

.... You mean that's a very worrying point!!

Here's what the EU directive says:
"g) electronic cigarettes and refill containers are child- and tamper-proof, are protected against breakage and leakage and have a mechanism that ensures refilling without leakage.
"

Currently there aren't any refillable ecigs that are child and tamperproof, nor is there a mechanism to refill one without leakage.

i.e. it looks like there isn't an ecig that would satisfy the requirements of the TPD. = Very worrying indeed!

Please sign the European Free Vaping Initiative (EFVI) to try to give Vapers a voice in all this.

Very worrying indeed it will be some kind of new invention that costs a fortune, ceedee said it best, I'm off to sign now

[djs]

Apr 18, 2014 20:12:39 GMT CaptainChaos said:

What about people who already have rebuildables/variable everything, or is it just about NEW stuff being unavailable?

They can't take away what we have.... new stuff will require some sort of approval....