Is the tide turning?

[GunJack]

95%

[aaront903]

Just voted tooooo

[chykensa]

Voted - 95% (115 votes). Good find, thanks for sharing

[halight]

I've just voted
95% now.in favour.

[Ripshod]

Just voted. 95% (211 votes) in favour.

[DiscoDes]

Voted, still at 95%

COME ON PEOPLE!

[buggritt]

Yoda - where's the evidence that the public are beginning to understand? And who has done a survey on eyebrows?
The evidence of history tells us that "the public" mostly don't give a monkeys, about anything not on their doorstep. This subject will never be put to a vote anyway.
I'm all in favour of online petitions, voting etc. Not because I think they will be taken seriously. They won't. It's the other way round. Without some form of protest, it will encourage the finger waggers. The powerless who feel justified in commenting on my life - the "eyebrow raisers". One of the few times, apart from a nod and good morning, I've ever been spoken to on a train occurred on Monday. I had my mod in hand, not using it. A women, with husband in tow, just piped up "aren't those dangerous?". My response "no, but the owner is". Two lads in working gear, in between bursts of laughter, then politely asked me what was good about it. Passed the journey quite nicely.
I really don't care how high the tide is. I will continue to do what I think best. And I think we should all try not to be defensive.

[tmg]

Voted, still 95%

[yoda1970]

A very negative attitude buggritt, the evidence is all around you, all you need to do is look. News coverage turning from full on "Anti" to "Accepting", newspaper articles following the same pattern. Ash coming out with studies that show that vaping does not renormalise smoking, and that evidence of the gateway effect is near non-existent. Dr Farsalinos with his studies into ecigs that show that there is little or no carcinogens in ecig vapour, and that any evidence of passive vaping is pretty much anecdotal. Massive support across europe for EFVI, the figures increasing day by day. I feel from reading a lot of the comments on the main forums, that a lot of people don't follow what's really happening on a daily basis. A lot of what i hear is 'old news', from perhaps a few weeks ago, and that's not your fault. You all have lives to live, you can't be watching the internet 24/7, but trust me when i say that i personally, feel that things have changed significantly over the past few months, for the better.

[dagl]

96% now 237 votes

[cHooBeyDoo]

96% and 238 votes

[daggersvaper]

Jun 6, 2014 8:10:07 GMT buggritt said:

Yoda - where's the evidence that the public are beginning to understand?

Actually, I have to agree with you buggritt at least partially because general ignorance is still winning the argument over vaping. I feel even a major study, backed by major health organisations coming out in favour of vaping as "harmless" will not shift the political donkeys from their current course.

My niece has been a stop smoking advisor for several years, and she has been advocating ecig use for ages to aid people to get off the stinkies to no avail. It got to a stage last year when she was warned that she faced disciplinary action because she advised a "client" that as they had failed several times using different methods his best course would be to look into using ecigs to cut back on his cravings.

Is the tide turning?. Not yet, and not in the minds of those in power.

PS...Voted btw

[chykensa]

I know that time isn't on our side with the TPD and it's implementation looming in 2016, but I DO think that vaping is becoming more the norm. I am beginning to see more people vaping even in Cornwall now, and I don't get the same looks when vaping in public (which I don't do too often, to be fair) as I used to.
I agree with yoda1970 that there is more and more evidence heaping up, and a gradual change in the attitude of the press towards vaping. There have been various articles in newspapers and on the TV recently which have not been so radical, and this all influences Joe Public in the way they view something on which they have no overt opinion.
Of course we all know the benefits of vaping v. smoking firsthand, but the average man in the street, especially if he or she isn't a smoker, have no reason to know about the benefits. They rely on the papers and news to inform them, as indeed we are all informed about topics we have no knowledge of.
We need to be patient; the tide is turning and we have to do what we can to promote our vaping to the uninformed so that they become more knowledgeable. If we catalogue the changes that have taken place in the last 12 months, we are now in a much better place as far as the public are concerned. Foresight would be a wonderful thing, but it would be interesting to speculate on the triumphs and failures that will take place in the next 12 months.

[buggritt]

What you call negative, I call realistic yoda.
The vast majority neither smoke nor vape. So they really don't care. And if they did, it would make zero difference.
Look at the recent Europe wide disaffection with the EU. A massive vote of no confidence in reality. The result? The strong favourite to lead the EU is a renowned federalist in favour of increasing their powers. Business as usual.
I don't believe the "big pharma" lobby either. A politician is a one track animal, local or national. They love to make work, form committees, hence garner more expenses. Regulation of vaping is a godsend to them. A massive job creation scheme for the boys. Pond life - the whole bunch.
And I'm as guilty. I closed my business when I realised I could make more money taking short term contracts, many for the government, as it's a bleeding gravy train. The difference being I take half as long and do twice the job of any of their in house people. Plus I vape with no embarrassment in their buildings. My buildings of course.
Get ready is my advice. The sticky fingers are being flexed. Vaping will be at least as expensive as smoking in five years time.

[Deleted]

Really buggritt I don't worry if vaping is as expensive as smoking compared to the alternatives (vaping made illegal)

I've gone from 36mg/ml plus nasal spray (boy that wrecked my nose) to 7mg/ml in 3 years (with a couple of whoopsies). I don't think I'll be a vaper for life. I don't know when I'll quit vaping but I'm in no rush. I'm a heavy nicotine addict and I like vaping. Really you may be worried but it doesn't do any one any favours to get overly worried. If and when regulation happens it happens. Get ready with all your rebuildables now and your supply of mods. You'll always be able to get nicotine in one form or another other than tobacco. Why worry?