Currently an item on the Beeb News - Diacetyl :(

[sleedale]

Diacetyl has been known about for some time, and as a consumer I've tried as much as possible to research what is involved and as with most things I then wish to be left to make an informed choice. Information should be made available, but in a measured and responsible way?
As ex smokers or current smokers, we know about the dangers, chemicals etc in tobacco smoke, but make the choice to continue or not.
I am still far more concerned with the fumes I'm inhaling after our local farmer has driven past in the dodgy diesel tractor! No idea what it's running on, but I swear I can taste the oil.......bleurghhhhh

And I'm still curious to know if they emphasise that the other three sample liquids were fine, and also say that perhaps microwaving popcorn might be at least as risky as vaping a liquid with diacetyl in it? After all, it's the same chemical.....vapour.....just from a different source. OMG sales of microwave popcorn will plummet, big junk food manufacturers will be lobbying the WHO, the EU, the government to suppress this info

It's all getting a bit silly........

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Aug 31, 2014 20:02:02 GMT VE Jason said:

Aug 31, 2014 19:51:32 GMT @purple1234 said:

I'm going to say something which may or may not be accepted .

If there is a chemical in ecigs which if inhaled is shown to be harmful , and if this has been known or discussed for a while ie some eliquid vendors state no diacetyl and they've done this for a reason .
Then I as someone who had moved to vaping because I don't want

A) the harmful effects from ciggies

b) an under the belief that eliquids are as ' harmless as say a nicotine inhaler ' ie threads which compare the ingredients of a nicotine inhaler compared to an eliquid.

I as a consumer and someone who's now concerned about my health Expect such findings to be made public and more controls to be put in place.

I like ecigs because they have stopped me from smoking . Smoking is deadly . But I don't want to be inhaling something dodgy , even if compared to ciggies it's '' X times less harmful'.

Then to be as safe as possible @purple1234 you must vape unflavoured liquid.

Because, like it or not, food flavourings of any type - no matter what they are suspended in (oil, water, PG, alcohol) have not been proven safe to inhale, whether they are natural or synthetically produced.

The bigger problem is what reacts with what to cause what.

Like I said - it's a complex issue.

Let's just hope, as adults, we are allowed to make our own decisions based on the facts available

Very true and bugger , if it does come to that ie no more lush flavours , then maybe that's the way forward. I understand the complexity ( ex scientist) maybe it's about time the pro vaping scientific community started to conduct experiments into multi dimensional chemical interactions rather then looking at the effect of the exposure of the individual ingredients .

Interesting and difficult times ahead for the whole flavour eliquid debate .

[MarkS]

Aug 31, 2014 19:06:24 GMT happyloman said:

Aug 31, 2014 12:11:24 GMT MarkS said:

 The only thing we have to go on are the 'popcorn lung' cases.

These guys where inhaling huge amounts of diacetyl daily over decades. 

Not sure about the "decades" MarkS as the Reddit article, on page one, says the employees were all "young" so its possible they werent working there for that long. 

Ive been looking around the net most of today and its seems this is something known for about 4 or 5 years, yet there are still people selling it. The market needs regulation, it shouldnt be down to the media to drum up scare stories.

I don't use reddit, but I do remember reading a report where the first (I think it was 6) cases, a few of the employees had worked in the industry for over 10 years and distinctly remember one employee had been there for 22 years.

I read so much stuff on diacetyl a year or so ago that I'm struggling to find where the report was posted but I'm pretty sure it was on one of the forums and if my memory serves me right it was part of the courts transcript. Until I can find the report again take what I say with a pinch of salt.

Nothing is 'known' in regards to diacetyl and vaping that much I do know for sure and as @vejason has pointed out nothing is known in regards to vaping any other flavourings. Just because a flavouring or juice doesn't contain diacetyl does not mean it is safe or safer than one that does, because the research just hasn't been done.

Personally I've made the choice to carry on vaping what I like and if in the long run it turns out that I've knackered myself I won't be crying and screaming its someone elses fault, just like I won't if I've done irreparable damage to myself from the years spent smoking a product I knew only too well could cause illness and send me to an early grave.

I'm an adult who is solely responsible for the choices I make. I hold nobody accountable for the mistakes I've made or am going to make.

[MarkS]

Aug 31, 2014 20:12:41 GMT @purple1234 said:

Aug 31, 2014 20:02:02 GMT VE Jason said:

Then to be as safe as possible @purple1234 you must vape unflavoured liquid.

Because, like it or not, food flavourings of any type - no matter what they are suspended in (oil, water, PG, alcohol) have not been proven safe to inhale, whether they are natural or synthetically produced.

The bigger problem is what reacts with what to cause what.

Like I said - it's a complex issue.

Let's just hope, as adults, we are allowed to make our own decisions based on the facts available

Very true and bugger , if it does come to that ie no more lush flavours , then maybe that's the way forward. I understand the complexity ( ex scientist) maybe it's about time the pro vaping scientific community started to conduct experiments into multi dimensional chemical interactions rather then looking at the effect of the exposure of the individual ingredients .

Interesting and difficult times ahead for the whole flavour eliquid debate .

I'd go even further than that and say that to be as safe as possible don't vape at all.

We are to an extent guinea pigs in all of this and there is a chance some of us won't be liking the long term results.

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.............my 2 cents.....: Diacetyl is only a small baby compared with thousands of much more dangerous chemicals what we can find in our body because : 1.genetic modified tomatoes ,potatoes etc 2. all the pesticides what they use for almost all the plants ...3. butter ,milk ,cheese made from powder (100% chemicals + aroma) ......sweets full of chemicals ....meat ( pork ,chicken etc) full of chemicals . 4. we live in towns with thousands of cars ,we breath chemicals..... EU have in plan to ban all of this ?????

[Ripshod]

Oh, and don't forget the ageing effect from Oxygen.