Transport for London annouces vape ban

[bustrr59]

Have just seen a news bulletin that Transport for London have changed their policy on vaping.It has now banned vaping on all of its transports and properties, stations, trains (overland & underground), buses and the docklands light railway are now no-vape zones.
They admit that the decision was not made on health grounds but more protection of other transport users from passive vaping !
I fear this is just a corporate arse covering exercise to prevent them from being sued in the future.

[sammy13]

What was I saying in the other thread???
It's ok for the train to poison everyone, but my bit of vapour is banned

[chykensa]

sammy13 I fear that in this case, and in many others too, your signature is most apposite. They don't understand the problem, but they fear the backlash if they side with good sense and intelligence. Very sad.

[Raffles]

I'm in a bit of a quandary here... while I totally support vaping... I can understand the reactions. We all now know the dangers of smoking, but the 'impression' of vaping... i.e. clouds of vapour... is giving out the same signal. It is still an addiction, albeit (IMO) harmless, and I have have found that I can go hours and hours without indulging. If I was eating, or even just sitting next to someone, I would not want them blowing 'anything' in my direction.

Just comes down to 'respect' for others.

[chrisjw]

Doesn't bother me in the slightest............never bothered me not smoking on a train, so not being able to vape is no big deal.......



"Life...........is just a bowl of tricks!!!!!!"

[sammy13]

Oct 22, 2014 22:09:54 GMT chrisjw said:

Doesn't bother me in the slightest............never smoked on a train, so not being able to vape is no big deal.......



"Life...........is just a bowl of tricks!!!!!!"

It's the stations bit that gets me, not inside the train.

[lairey]

Oct 22, 2014 22:05:38 GMT Raffles said:

I'm in a bit of a quandary here... while I totally support vaping... I can understand the reactions. We all now know the dangers of smoking, but the 'impression' of vaping... i.e. clouds of vapour... is giving out the same signal. It is still an addiction, albeit (IMO) harmless, and I have have found that I can go hours and hours without indulging. If I was eating, or even just sitting next to someone, I would not want them blowing 'anything' in my direction.

Just comes down to 'respect' for others.

I agree with you Raffles.  I wouldn't think of vaping publicly somewhere you are not allowed to smoke, unless it's a vape friendly establishment.

Whilst WE know that there is no risk from passive vaping, it was only recently, in the big scheme of things, that it was discovered that there is a risk from passive smoking.  Joe Public associates vapour with smoke - therefore risk.

I do think their ban on vaping on open air platforms is excessive, but it would be hard to police without a blanket ban.  Personally I would rather the staff at the stations were helping and protecting passengers as opposed to arguing with some idiot that decides to try to have a sneaky smoke because someone nearby is vaping.

I will however, quite happily, have a stealth vape where I can't be seen, allowed or not 

[seniorphil]

I am going to mod my lungs so I exhale through my anus. If a plastic surgeon can implant breasts, horns , muscles etc I think blowing an occasional vapoury fart is the way forward. Maybe this is the future, Dragons Den here I come.......

[chykensa]

I wholeheartedly concur with the opinions above, but still think it sad that large organisations like TfL really don't get it. I take the point about someone having a sneaky fag because the platform is covered in vape steam, but there is a real difference here, and with one after another big company taking the 'easy' option, we get further ostracised.
It's going to be more and more difficult now to get these blanket bans reversed, and while I like chrisjw and Raffles have no objection to not vaping in public, it all goes against our argument that vaping is in the region of hundreds of times safer than smoking.
Rant over.

[markm]

The visible vapour simply shows you the movement of your exhaled gasses.
With the vapour simply creating a marker for your breath. Even if you can see
It or not, you are breathing out over othe people. If that breath is high in pg then
You are far less likely to be passing on minor infections, in the same way as
Hospitals have been adding pg to the airconditioning for over half a century.

[chykensa]

markm - you and I know that full well, but TfL and Joe Public don't! That's the problem here, and I don't have a ready solution

[Deleted]

I heard on the radio last night that there is no 'law' at the moment which covers it. So what are they going to charge people with? On the other hand I don't mind not vaping on transport, I never have. Though have taken a sneaky vape on open platforms. I need to perfect a 'stealth e liquid', Low vg, low scent on a 350 battery.

Someone on the radio also said this has got everything to do with the fact they're not getting any taxes off ecigs.

[blakey]

I have to say that some of the e-liquids people vape smell quite nasty to my nostrils and I wouldn't be best pleased if I had to sit behind someone vaping such an item.
Therefor I have to accept that the smell from my vaping may be unpleasant for others.
Public transport is an enclosed environment and we really shouldn't be subjecting others to our lifestyle choice be it legal or not.
Respect others as we expect to be respected ourselves.
That also goes for restaurants and cafes and quite frankly- anywhere that smoking should not be permitted.

[Bob]

I can see their point in one way, and as for stations, I think it depends on the station, underground, enclosed I can see their point as well, but open air stations are another matter, this comes up with Network Rail stations out in the middle of nowhere, a) how do they enforce it b) does it really matter.

I have stealth vaped on trains and underground trains when people cannot really see me, with no problems, but I would not do it if the carriage was full, except on VapeFest when the whole carriage was full of vapers making clouds .

I think it really is a case of respect for others when inside, but out in the open air it is my choice to do what I please.

[chykensa]

Bob - I agree with all you say. Until there is a ban on vaping in the fresh air (God forbid!), then I really can't see why any company can enforce a ban on vaping, even if there was a law against it!
I don't vape where I wouldn't have smoked, so that's the easy bit. I am also aware that my exhaust may smell offensive (as opposed to being dangerous, but only wee seem to know that bit!), so I also go to considerable lengths to ensure that I don't blow my vapour at others unnecessarily at all times.
I have vaped on Redruth Train station in full view of the 'guard', or whoever the bloke who waves that little white disc on a stick at the driver is called, and he just smiled as if to say "good for you mate!"
Where do we go from here?