Study finds e-cigarettes affect airways, and quick

[tony2stix]

Found this give us your thoughts I now mine

www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/news/fullstory_120507.html

Tony

[blakey]

Gotta love scare tactics with no facts to back them up with

[leftfield]

""If you're trying to quit," Vardavas advised, "stick to the methods that are known to work."

Those, he noted, include nicotine patches and gum, prescription medications like bupropion (Zyban) and varenicline (Chantix), and counseling."

More like stick to the methods proven not to work

I wonder what mg they used. I'd be gagging if I was made to vape 24mg or higher. Nicotine is an irritant so there's your answer on why the airway is affected I suppose.

I'm sure as anything you'd find a more severe irritation after smoking for 5 minutes than you would compared to vaping

[Deleted]

zyban and champix .... known mind altering drugs that give suicidal tendancies et al .... no thank you

[Anne (fuzzy)]

FF(lips)S. HEALTHY non smokers. If these people have never smoked before, of course it's going to irritate their throat.

"e-cigarettes may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans, and may contain other ingredients that may not be safe."

That's a lot of "mays"

I was recently diagnosed with early onset emphysema from smoking. I haven't smoked for nearly 4 months now and had to have a common breathing test that's done on people with emphysema, breathing through a tube that creates a graph to see how strong your lungs are, you have to breathe out non stop for 30 seconds after taking a deep breath. Smokers can't do it. My 'graph' shot off the edge of the paper within about 15 seconds and I'm guessing that this is one of the tests they supposedly gave to the people in the above article. I smoked for several decades and was told there was nothing wrong with my airways or breathing.

Scaremongering makes me sick.

[jerryrm]

At least the title is accurate. When I smoked, I was short of breath and couldn't take a deep breath without coughing. Within a couple of weeks, after I stopped smoking, thanks to vaping, I could breathe normally again.

[kingofswords]

healthy smokers

doesnt that statement contradict the findings in the first place.

their research seems as stable as their economy .

[HeadHunter]

lol, u gotta luv em for trying, lol.

They are well aware of the long term risks to smokers of cigarettes BUT they still allow the sale of them !

The FDA are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea re: USA economy has taken a good thrashing, so much so that they borrowed heavily from the far east (China, India, Japan etc.) and are expected to pay this all back on time or they will lose quite a bit of the Federal Gold Reserve (which will further deplete the US economy), so the American tobacco industry is gonna be the main tax that supports the repayment program BUT if all available money (including that of smokers tax) goes out of the country to China (the biggest lender to the US) in the form of e-ciggies and sundry goods, how the hell are they gonna repay the loan ? lol. So what can they do ? That's right, slow the spending down by pulling the governing strings that control the FDA and slowing down the flood of money that is leaving their shores destined for China.

That, in a very simplistic way, is it, they (the US) have no money to fund the building of nicotine distilleries on US soil and are that 'short-sighted' that they care even less about the average smoking American citizen who's struggling to make ends meet in this global recession, well I say GLOBAL but really it's just us in the west that are suffering at all, both China, Indonesia & India's economy are flourishing to the point of excess, which reminds me of our economy, albeit a decade or so ago.

RSR

[jerryrm]

Rok, it's true that the Federal government is in debt and many of the states are broke, but while the cigarette tax will help, it won't solve the problem, ending wasteful spending, greed and corruption will. There's another and most important player in the anti e-cig campaign and that is the pharmaceutical industry. The e-cig has accomplished what none of their NRTs have. They stand to lose billions of dollars in profits, if e-cigs are allowed to survive and thrive.

[Anne (fuzzy)]

Jan 14, 2012 23:27:50 GMT @jerryrm said:

The e-cig has accomplished what none of their NRTs have. They stand to lose billions of dollars in profits, if e-cigs are allowed to survive and thrive.

True. And they still have the brass neck to say that NRT is the only way to give up smoking. Statistics, this forum and many others like it say different.

[jerryrm]

Anne, I think that those opposed to e-cigs are "rewarded" for their views.

[Gordy]

the article isnt an anti e-cig one at all and in general i feel most people are seeing issues that arnt really there. the facts are that there hasn't been many studies on the effects of vaping and it would be very naive and ignorant of us to believe that there arnt possible negative health effects associated with it. we should be more concerned with learning more and encourage further studies instead of fearing that everyone wants to ban or cast aspersions on vaping.

sadly its true that money for research is only spent when profit is involved such as the NRT and pharmaceutical companies and as such funding for vaping research is limited but if a study like the one outlined in the article is publicised then it may spur further such research, awareness and studies that may in fact bring an outcome in our favour or improve the safety for us.

sure a positive outcome for vaping would upset tobacco and pharmaceutical companies but its something that can not be ignored by the governments who strange as it sounds are human and do have our best interests at heart. we cant expect a government to endorse or encourage vaping when safety hasnt been proven.

YES we can all be pretty certain that vaping is safer than smoking but safer still is the use of NRT or champix due to the short time it is administered where as vaping could be a lifetime used alternative to smoking... yes i take your point that champix has been associated with suicidal thoughts but how much of that is from nicotine withdraw? or the fact that 11% of the population are already taking anti depressants and thats not counting the people that haven't been diagnosed.

so what i am saying is -
not everyone is anti vaping
encourage research and digest its results
dont poo poo NRT as it has worked for many
vaping is a form or NRT

[Gordy]

Jan 14, 2012 23:53:32 GMT @jerryrm said:

Anne, I think that those opposed to e-cigs are "rewarded" for their views.

how are they rewarded? maybe slightly paranoid Jerry ??

[jerryrm]

Paranoid? Nice insult, Gordy. >

It's a known fact in the U.S., that the FDA and the alphabet groups, receive funding from BP. There have been studies done that are favorable about e-cigs and they are ignored by the FDA. Anything positive about e-cigs is ignored.

[Gordy]

Jan 15, 2012 2:46:05 GMT @jerryrm said:

Paranoid? Nice insult, Gordy. >

It's a known fact in the U.S., that the FDA and the alphabet groups, receive funding from BP. There have been studies done that are favorable about e-cigs and they are ignored by the FDA. Anything positive about e-cigs is ignored.

paranoia isnt an insult
do you know who did the studies or what they were about Jerry ?