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Post by Tetsab on Jan 15, 2012 3:57:21 GMT
It ain't paranioa when they ARE out to get you - which sadly does seem to be the case.
I do broadly agree with Gordy, not everyone is anti-vaping but unfortunately an awful lot of the busybodies who seem to want to control how everyone else behaves mostly ARE.
It's actually quite hard not to get defensive about how much these and the vested interests in Big Tobacco and Big Pharma will negatively slant every report they can influence. They are starting to wake up to how much of a threat vaping is to them. I'm just praying the genie is now far enough out of the bottle that they won't be able to succeed in stuffing it back in there.
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Post by ken on Jan 15, 2012 15:18:41 GMT
Paranoid? Nice insult, Gordy. > It's a known fact in the U.S., that the FDA and the alphabet groups, receive funding from BP. There have been studies done that are favorable about e-cigs and they are ignored by the FDA. Anything positive about e-cigs is ignored. paranoia isnt an insult do you know who did the studies or what they were about Jerry ? Look it up in the dictionary and I think you will find your remarks pretty insulting. > I would have expected a bit more from a mod.
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Post by Gordy on Jan 15, 2012 16:20:27 GMT
paranoia isnt an insult do you know who did the studies or what they were about Jerry ? Look it up in the dictionary and I think you will find your remarks pretty insulting. > I would have expected a bit more from a mod. thank you for your 'input' Kenny but what i meant is that it wasnt intended as an insult... this is a friendly forum where we dont throw around insults at each other
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Post by ken on Jan 15, 2012 16:40:47 GMT
Look it up in the dictionary and I think you will find your remarks pretty insulting. > I would have expected a bit more from a mod. thank you for your 'input' Kenny but what i meant is that it wasnt intended as an insult... this is a friendly forum where we dont throw around insults at each other [Glad to hear it.
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Post by tony2stix on Jan 15, 2012 21:32:29 GMT
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Post by Gordy on Jan 15, 2012 22:31:01 GMT
thank you for your 'input' Kenny but what i meant is that it wasnt intended as an insult... this is a friendly forum where we dont throw around insults at each other [Glad to hear it. no problem Kenny, you're probably used to the other forum where confrontation is more common place. there's only ever friendly insults thrown around here I found it quite ironic that Jerry jumped to the defensive after i wrote the post above encouraging people to read and take on board studies, articles and information and not just assume everyone is against you
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Post by Chrissie on Jan 15, 2012 23:17:18 GMT
I've hesitated posting on this thread due to some of the replies, however, I now feel it has got to the stage I need to say something.
Sorry Gordy, but I don't think Jerry was being paranoid. The drug companies have so much power & money & they have been known to fund various bodies that will malign anything that could have an effect on their profits.
Kenny started off in here, so he does know we are different. However, he, as everyone else, has a right to state his opinion on any matter as long as it isn't too confrontational. Though I can't agree with him that a moderator isn't entitled to his own opinions.
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Post by Gordy on Jan 15, 2012 23:55:01 GMT
the paranoid comment wasnt meant as an insult... my point is that we should have a more open mind and not fall in to the trap that every study is out to prove that e-cigs are bad... truth is we dont know and i for one welcome the effort people make to find out positives and negatives of vaping. we all know what goes on in politics with multinational companies, my question was if he knew any examples where any opposing study had been 'rewarded' it is my opinion that 'here say' comments aren't particularly useful in understanding the true facts. it is our health we are dealing with here and we cant afford to close our eyes in the belief that pro vaping information is out there and has just ignored or hidden from us.
the FDA has made the statement that Because clinical studies about the safety and efficacy of these products have not been submitted to FDA, consumers currently have no way of knowing which doesnt mean they are against vaping, its just the cant in all honesty approve vaping and by making that statement we cant say they are lying to us either or bought out by large companies, they are a government agency after all... i understand if small parties who did studies can be bought off but NOT the FDA
Kenny's opinion was to accuse me of making an insult and to call into question my behaviour as a moderator to which i felt the need to defend and explain that Jerry had unfortunately got the wrong end of the stick, i would have thought that Jerry knows me better than that so im disappointed he took that stance
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Post by HeadHunter on Jan 16, 2012 5:44:21 GMT
The word 'forum' originates from the latin, which I take to understand as a 'place where ideas are discussed between people of various backgrounds and beliefs, albeit religious, political or otherwise, for the sole purpose of discourse on any subject, which finally leads to a settlement on that stated subject', now I have an opinion, Gordy has one and so too does Jerry......would it not be sad day (and a very boring one, lol) if we could all agree on any one thing ? I for one, relish the thought that Jerry is looking after my (our ?) interests in one direction, whilst Gordy is doing equally as much in another direction ! This is what I love about this forum, so many eyes watching the world, so many ears listening and so many mouths (and fingers, lol) relaying it all to us, thats why I am always here.......if I wanted tech info I would be at UKV (sorry Chrissie, no insult intended), but if I need to know whats going on in the real world I come here, to AAE-C ! (that and of course, the N team vs J team 'ridicule war' is getting quite good, lol) RSR
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Post by Perpetua on Jan 16, 2012 7:50:08 GMT
(that and of course, the N team vs J team 'ridicule war' is getting quite good, lol) RSR That's always been good Heady . . . mind you it is nice to see new BFF relationships being formed. And, as on any forum you'll have members who will feel slighted if their opinion is questioned in any way, no matter how it's done. And there are those members of course, who just enjoy stirring for the sake of it. Fortunately, we're mature enough on here to recognise both sorts of behaviour and rise above it.
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Post by HeadHunter on Jan 16, 2012 15:08:27 GMT
Hi Perpy, excuse my ignorance, but what does 'BFF' stand for ?
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Post by Gordy on Jan 16, 2012 15:37:24 GMT
best friend forever
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Post by nicky on Jan 16, 2012 16:16:34 GMT
The word 'forum' originates from the latin, which I take to understand as a 'place where ideas are discussed between people of various backgrounds and beliefs, albeit religious, political or otherwise, for the sole purpose of discourse on any subject, which finally leads to a settlement on that stated subject', now I have an opinion, Gordy has one and so too does Jerry......would it not be sad day (and a very boring one, lol) if we could all agree on any one thing ? I for one, relish the thought that Jerry is looking after my (our ?) interests in one direction, whilst Gordy is doing equally as much in another direction ! This is what I love about this forum, so many eyes watching the world, so many ears listening and so many mouths (and fingers, lol) relaying it all to us, thats why I am always here.......if I wanted tech info I would be at UKV (sorry Chrissie, no insult intended), but if I need to know whats going on in the real world I come here, to AAE-C ! (that and of course, the N team vs J team 'ridicule war' is getting quite good, lol) RSR excuse me??? "getting" quite good >
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Post by nicky on Jan 16, 2012 16:17:00 GMT
Hi Perpy, excuse my ignorance, but what does 'BFF' stand for ? i was about to ask that lol
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Post by Perpetua on Jan 16, 2012 16:23:01 GMT
Best Fudge Frolic . . . I thought everyone knew that Nicky.
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