BBC Radio 4 talk E-Cigs.

[jeffc]

Hi Peeps.

Let`s start the New Year 2015, on a positive note.


Listen too:

[markm]

very encouraging

[Deleted]

Really good and sensible report jeffc, very encouraging. I liked the use of language - a lot of use of vapouriser (i don't think the term e-cigarette helps at all) they also refer to traditional cigarettes as combustibles, again emphasising the difference.

The guy from Public Health England is, I think, being a less than truthful with his quoting of research. When he refers to quitting I bet he is talking about giving up all form of nicotine usage. I wonder vapours are more likely to say they have quit when they have stopped using combustibles - not when they have stopped using vapourisers.

Maybe the tide is turning

Nick

[Montana]

This is ,  AT LAST , an encouraging report , but one thing always strikes me when I hear these reports.

That is , they always say " A way to stop smoking leading to give up nicotine ( vaping ) altogether ".
Now , I don't know about anyone else , the change to vaping for me wasn't to give up , it's an " alternative to combustibles ".We all know that vaping isn't without risk , but we know about these risks , as far as science is telling us at the present time.We also know that people DON'T realize that there is nicotine in fruit and vegetables , so we don't ever really give up on nicotine anyway , just the strength we take it in.

Has anyone else changed to vaping as an alternative and not to give up ?



Andy



 

[Deleted]

Interesting though, the company interviewed s Fresh Cigs, they sell liquid at £2.50, and one of their promises is that "We absolutely will not be beaten on price on like for like. 1. The best prices on the market, like for like." , and yet they are the same company as onepoundliquid.com (LiQuid) who sell e-juice at £1.

Witha 12 Million bottle a year capacity I wish them luck!

Nick

[GunJack]

The whole giving up nicotine thing is a relatively new development, as vaping has taken off the health lot now want us not only to give up tobacco (which I did a couple of years ago) so now they want me to go a step further

I'm happy being an ex-smoker who now vapes

[Greg]

Jan 1, 2015 11:35:25 GMT Montana said:

This is ,  AT LAST , an encouraging report , but one thing always strikes me when I hear these reports.

That is , they always say " A way to stop smoking leading to give up nicotine ( vaping ) altogether ".
Now , I don't know about anyone else , the change to vaping for me wasn't to give up , it's an " alternative to combustibles ".We all know that vaping isn't without risk , but we know about these risks , as far as science is telling us at the present time.We also know that people DON'T realize that there is nicotine in fruit and vegetables , so we don't ever really give up on nicotine anyway , just the strength we take it in.

Has anyone else changed to vaping as an alternative and not to give up ?



Andy



 

I changed to vaping to give up smoking but it's also an alternative to smoking so I'm unsure of the question ?

[sydsut]

I started vaping and almost immediately gave up the stinkies. I started with 24mg juices and now mostly vape 12mg. But I now enjoy vaping for it's own sake and have become a hobbyist as so many on here have. 

[Montana]

Jan 1, 2015 23:22:06 GMT Greg said:

Jan 1, 2015 11:35:25 GMT Montana said:

This is ,  AT LAST , an encouraging report , but one thing always strikes me when I hear these reports.

That is , they always say " A way to stop smoking leading to give up nicotine ( vaping ) altogether ".
Now , I don't know about anyone else , the change to vaping for me wasn't to give up , it's an " alternative to combustibles ".We all know that vaping isn't without risk , but we know about these risks , as far as science is telling us at the present time.We also know that people DON'T realize that there is nicotine in fruit and vegetables , so we don't ever really give up on nicotine anyway , just the strength we take it in.

Has anyone else changed to vaping as an alternative and not to give up ?



Andy



 

I changed to vaping to give up smoking but it's also an alternative to smoking so I'm unsure of the question ?

I'll see if I can put it another way , or at least try to.

Most people seem to think that vaping is just a short term thing.This is also true of the medical profession to.The way that most people seem to think that vaping works is , first you try it , then you dual fuel, then you vape ( after giving up the stinkies altogether ) , then you reduce your nic level to zero, then you stop vaping altogether , so now doing neither.
I don't normally get asked questions about vaping but when I do , the only question that I do get asked is " When are you stopping that then ? " , meaning the vaping.They just think because you have stopped with the stinkies so quickly that it will be exactly the same with vaping , but as we all know , it isn't like that because of the addiction to nicotine.
This is where the difference lays with me and a I suspect most other vapers.I got off stinkies , JUST to get off stinkies , I have no intention of stopping vaping , that's where the phrase it's an " Alternative " comes from.I can see myself now vaping for the rest of my life , not just a way of getting off the nicotine.

I hope that has made things a little clearer.I try and put myself in the shoes of others and explain it from there point of view.


Andy

[Greg]

Yep I agree but the others aren't vapers so are ignorant to the difference because they have no interest other than mild curiosity.

I have no idea if I'll quit Vaping hut have reduced from 18 to 6mg in just over a year. If I get to zero will I stop vaping, no idea but I'm not fussed if I dont stop, for now I enjoy the experience and all it entails and most importantly have no desire to smoke a cigarette.

[Montana]

With my next lot of juice ordering I will also be lowering my nicotine level ( for the first time ) from 18 down to 12 mg.This is because I'm now getting in the realms of better tanks and taking slightly bigger hits at higher wattage levels and is making my throat sore and my head spin a little.

I've gone from Evods to Mini Protanks to Protanks to Mini Foggers and now on to a Subtank in my 7 months so far and I've noticed a big change each time.Next will be something like a Kayfun V4 clone and a Kato box mod clone ( I certainly can't afford the real things ) and expect a big change there too.
In the distant past I had had some knock offs or clones or whatever you want to call them and have been bitterly disappointed ( NON vape related ) with the product quality and vowed not to by a clone of anything again.BUT , not being able to afford over £300 for one mod and one atty AND the good reviews of the members and reviewers here ( and elsewhere ) I've decided to go with the above , but I'm still torn between ripping off the person/people that made the originals and the cost of the clones , so I haven't pulled that trigger just yet.


Andy

[Greg]

I've had quite a few RBAs clones and originals and have a fair few lined up I dont/ rarely use. My everyday atties are Orchid V4 clones and cost about £6 from fasttech. If you can build coils give them a go. Really airy and for lung inhales which is weird at first but now little else compares. Like must things with use it becomes the norm

[Greg]

Andy I think the days of £100 plus atties are almost over. If the differnce between an original and a clone was £20 or £30 quid then I'd just buy originals but when its nearer to £100 pound difference someone's taking the pi$$ and I don't think its the Chinese.

[sydsut]

Jan 2, 2015 1:58:16 GMT Greg said:

Andy I think the days of £100 plus atties are almost over. If the differnce between an original and a clone was £20 or £30 quid then I'd just buy originals but when its nearer to £100 pound difference someone's taking the pi$$ and I don't think its the Chinese.

You only have to look at some other forums to see that there are a lot of vapers who get off on the exclusivity of originals and therefore the Designer/Manufacturer knows that this market will allow them to charge outrageous prices, for some buyers the higher the price the better the buzz. A Vauxhall will still get you from A to B but a Ferrari will get you noticed in doing so.

[Greg]

Well I can think of one forum with that attitude.

Problem with your analogy is the two cars you quote don't even look the same never mind one being a clone of the other,

Clones are getting better and better every day, look how quick the K4 clone came out and reports so far are all positive.

Elitist a are fine if they're are keep in their own little box. Thankfully aaec doesn't suffer them.