Hope I can explain my problem!

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Here are some posts on this thread at ECF regarding salt. I have not used this technique, so I have no idea, but would be interested if it did work.

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268760-diy-master-techniques-flavor-add-ons-em-vw-bw-mts-acv-ect-6.html

I have use preservative free NaCl in my DIY for 3 years with out problems. I mix like I cook. When you bake, a salt lifts the chocolates, vanillas and adds depth. NaCl does the same. I have 510,901 and 801 attys that are older than a year and I use tanks with Boge and DC cartos without a problem. When a mix seems perfect except it seems to be "just missing something" it is the salt. My experience has been the opposite of your assumptions about NaCl. This can be purchased at any medical supply or pharmacy and I use generally a dropper 5mls for bakery/sweets and higher for choc coveed petzels or other salt needed mixes. Pie crust is not pie crust without salt IMHO.

ETA: NaCl is in every respiratory treatment and Ihave never seen residue on the nebulizer tubing or the ventimasks either.That seems to give an answer about whether it is safe for inhalation.

There is quite a lot more in this thread.

It can come in syringes wrapped in sterile wrap or in a bottle with a rubber draw spot. Lifts flavors of bakery, sweets, chocolates and seems to do what it does in a good cookie, lift the undertones. Makes the e-liquid more dimensional. Salt....ie: sodium chloride also is a wetting agent. Moisturizes the mouth and makes saliva as well. Good for VG vapors and good for your lungs, Win=win..............I have never seen anyone post about it,I have always done it as I mix like I cook and bake. I have used pure organic sea salt diluted in PG and it worked just as well but is hard to calibrate the saltiness, add a drop at a time, no steeping needed after adding to mix, salt dissolves in PG very well. Did I invent something? LOL

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Here is Perpetua's links in a different post. The threads she refers to are long, but worth reading.

Dec 28, 2014 17:55:30 GMT Perpetua said:

I believe the author may have removed it @kopiert . . . there are these links if they're any good to you.

spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AkX4_hQ6Fu8HdEwwR2dLRUJlVjlabEN1NG1ucktuUVE&gid=0

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/427782-list-capella-flavor-percentages.html

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/268757-diy-master-techniques-determining-flavor-percentages.html

www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/259070-flavour-art-single-flavor-percentages.html

Though I have to say, none of those percentages would suit my taste buds as ' standalone ' flavours, generally I aim for an overall 20% of flavouring . . . sometimes a little more, depending on whose concentrates I'm using. I tend to ignore ' recommended ' percentages from manufacturers as they don't take into account our individual tastes.

Any new flavours I get, then I always taste a little on my tongue, just to help me determine how strong or weak they may be, then take it from there in my mixing.

As for steeping times, these are what I work on as a rough guide:

Mints/Menthols - ready to go from mixing.

Fruits - ready to go/ a couple of days. However Capella's Harvest Berries does benefit from a couple of weeks steeping, there are probably others I've not tried.

Coffees - 1-2 weeks.

Desserts - 2-3 weeks

Custards - 4+ weeks

In practice I probably don't use anything under a month old, though Fruits & Mints do peak off flavour wise if they're left too long I reckon.

I don't believe there are any definitive guides on either myself, it's what tastes good to you after however long.

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Jan 15, 2015 11:36:26 GMT miltiades said:

Jan 15, 2015 9:52:09 GMT @kopiert said:

I am taking my very first steps into mixing, still waiting for the first batch of CLC (although the testers were okay). I have found that a few drops of vanillin gives the vape more volume and mouth feel - even with fruits. TBH I was looking at my scrambled eggs this morning just wondering if I should add a couple of drops....!

The more I read about it the more I realise that mixing can be as complex or as simple as you want, a bit like cooking. I also suspect that are some little 'pro-level' tricks the premium mixers use.

What we need is the Mary Berry of mixing to make a cookbook.

Hello Friend.

having completed about 200 tests , i can say that all methods circulating around are true but not in full extend.

It's very important what type of flavor you wish to enhance with vanillin , vinegar , saline , citric acid , etc... 

The same ingredient does not react the same way with all the flavors.

This require a bit of experimentation but a general rule i've found is that we are very close to cooking. If something
works as a combination in cooking it's very possible to work with flavors as well.

Hi miltiades - it was your cooking analogy I was referring to. The more I read the more I realise it is true. 

[jevans]

@kopiert
I was being flippant when I mentioned salt, did not expect the results you stimulated!
This excellent Forum is a mine of information.

Jim

[miltiades]

@kopiert Si senor , cooking it's a good start (always having mind the potency of the flavours). A flavor of company A from company B could be extremely different in potency. That was the reason that drive me to create separate single ingredient bases in order to find out the % that was the best for me. From there it's just a matter of cooking actually. We know that apples match well with cinnamon and creams...

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Jan 15, 2015 12:03:24 GMT jevans said:

@kopiert
I was being flippant when I mentioned salt, did not expect the results you stimulated!
This excellent Forum is a mine of information.

Jim

I spend way too much time reading the posts and the links, you are right there is so much information here. I only knew about the salt because others sent me to look at it. 

jevans your instinct was right

I love this place.

Nick

[reddragon]

Wow, i have opened a can of salty worms Interestingly I never used salt in cooking until recently, I never tasted any difference but since quitting the stinkies my cooking needs a lift so I am seasoning it a bit now. My poor husband has been eating bland food all this time and not complaining

Interesting comments I will read the links when I get a bit more time. One thing I have not done is to do a mix of the concentrates on their own to get an idea of how they will perform. I am going to order a load of 5ml bottles to get that done. I think that will help as it will give me a better idea of what to expect when I mix them together.

Thanks for everyones replies, most useful, oh and jevans Tease-smiley

[spacey]

Just to comment on the adding vinegar advice - In my endless diy research/custard experiments I decided to try Apple Cider Vinegar in custard - I made a big bottle of basic Cap custard, vanillin & EM and then put 5ml samples of it into bottles and add different ingredients to try and discover the holy grail custard taste I'm seeking . ACV really did perk it up and make it more Grants tasting to me. I'll definitely be using it again!!

Have also got some saline that I'm planning adding to another custard sample to see if that enhances other flavours or 'mouth feel'. Read loads on using saline, some seem to swear by it and others say it's no different. No harm in giving it a go

[lairey]

Jan 18, 2015 20:10:12 GMT spacey said:

Just to comment on the adding vinegar advice - In my endless diy research/custard experiments I decided to try Apple Cider Vinegar in custard - I made a big bottle of basic Cap custard, vanillin & EM and then put 5ml samples of it into bottles and add different ingredients to try and discover the holy grail custard taste I'm seeking . ACV really did perk it up and make it more Grants tasting to me. I'll definitely be using it again!!

Have also got some saline that I'm planning adding to another custard sample to see if that enhances other flavours or 'mouth feel'. Read loads on using saline, some seem to swear by it and others say it's no different. No harm in giving it a go

How much ACV did you add spacey?

[spacey]

Jan 18, 2015 20:18:36 GMT lairey said:

How much ACV did you add spacey?

lairey - 2 tiny drops (filled a normal empty 10ml bottle with ACV) into a well steeped 5ml sample and let it sit for a few days. It seems about right for my tastes. I definitely recomend giving it a go!!