The other day at work...

[davetherayon]

Sweet child in time, you'll see the line
Line that's drawn between good and bad
See the blind man shooting at the world
Bullets flying, ooh taking toll
If you've been bad - Oh Lord I bet you have
And you've not been hit oh by flying lead
You'd better close your eyes, aahaouho bow your head
Wait for the ricochet

Dedicated to Standing Glands,the arsehole.

[Clivia]

Jan 16, 2015 23:57:11 GMT davetherayon said:

but i repeat : ) there are folk out there, stuck to cigs. bless em. HOW DO WE CONVERT THEM? no good saying 'we vape you lose lol.' We need MORE vapers.

 I don't think we can convert anybody to anything - if it's not what they want - no matter what subject - you can talk for England and it will go in through one ear and out through the other - and yes I speak out of personal experience  - trying to convert - ages and ages ago - you know being the young enthusiast - and trying to be converted - nope - you can't - if I don't want to

so i don't try to convert - only talk about it, if someone asks questions and wants to know

[robby]

Jan 17, 2015 0:21:26 GMT @spikeyfridge said:

I keep getting told that I'm still addicted to nicotine. Well durr, i never said I wasn't!

I get that too, usually from smokers  ........................... pot, kettle, black

[Clivia]

and this although we vapers know- that it's not the nicotine, which is the main addiction - if it was - we would all go up with our nicotine levels - but as it happens we all go down - I started on 18 and am now down to arround 10-ish - 12mg is the maximum I like to vape - and this not out of self discipline or any plan to lower the nic - it's just a feeling of : hm it's getting a bit strong - will mix the next one lower - I have no plan, when I lower it again - would be absolutely fine if I stay like that for years - i just go with my taste and feelings

but it's also or mainly the habit - sometimes i can sit for 30 minutes without vaping at all - just having the mod in my hand - and yes I do like the throat hit and the vapour

[whiteshep]

I don't try and encourage anyone to switch from smoking to vaping I just let them see me do it and be open to a discussion about it usually people will ask me about it after they see me a few times so I let them open the door and I nudge it a bit more so to speak. People are happiest when they feel they have been in control the whole time and the whole thing was their idea you didn't do a thing subtle but in my experience works 80% of the time. Main thing about switching to vaping is that a smoker has to have wanted to quit then they are more open minded about alternatives I smoked for many years because I enjoyed it and then at some point the realities of tobacco hit and the seed was planted. As vapers our best bet is to pick the right people and work on that rather then trying to do anything en masse to large groups.