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[markm]

Ecigs are the hot topic with SSS these days, thanks to Louise Ross
www.ncsct.co.uk/usr/pub/e-cigarette_briefing.pdf

[Bobsbeer]

A good read. And quite balanced conclusions.

[Richard46]

Thanks Mark; interesting; not seen that before. As you say doubt this would have happened without Louise Ross.

[Ripshod]

Three case reports of serious adverse events associated with electronic cigarette use have been published.
Two were respiratory illnesses (lipoid pneumonia and acute eosinophilic pneumonitis) and the other
cardiac (acute asymptomatic atrial fibrillation); in all cases the problems resolved when electronic
cigarette use ceased

mmmmm, looking bad for Dame Sally?? I'm not denying the alleged death that she quoted, but surely the various health departments talk to each other, and use the same reference materials?

[markm]

Feb 17, 2015 16:47:55 GMT Ripshod said:

Three case reports of serious adverse events associated with electronic cigarette use have been published.
Two were respiratory illnesses (lipoid pneumonia and acute eosinophilic pneumonitis) and the other
cardiac (acute asymptomatic atrial fibrillation); in all cases the problems resolved when electronic
cigarette use ceased

mmmmm, looking bad for Dame Sally?? I'm not denying the alleged death that she quoted, but surely the various health departments talk to each other, and use the same reference materials?

It should be noted that those 3 instances are world wide, and even then opinions are divided on causation.

Lipoid Pneumonia is caused by inhalation of oils - and e-juice contains no oils, which vaporise at much higher

temperatures than PG/VG. This was an ANTZ argument from the early days - even they have dropped it now.

To be fair to Sally - she didn't actually claim any deaths, just implied them.

She did however state serious illness was suffered, which is a bare faced falsehood.

[sydsut]

Feb 17, 2015 17:34:40 GMT markm said:

Feb 17, 2015 16:47:55 GMT Ripshod said:

mmmmm, looking bad for Dame Sally?? I'm not denying the alleged death that she quoted, but surely the various health departments talk to each other, and use the same reference materials?

It should be noted that those 3 instances are world wide, and even then opinions are divided on causation.

Lipoid Pneumonia is caused by inhalation of oils - and e-juice contains no oils, which vaporise at much higher

temperatures than PG/VG. This was an ANTZ argument from the early days - even they have dropped it now.

To be fair to Sally - she didn't actually claim any deaths, just implied them.

She did however state serious illness was suffered, which is a bare faced falsehood.

She also stated that butterscotch flavour had to be banned but where, when, who's flavouring? The way she said it sounded as though this had already happened.

[Richard46]

Feb 17, 2015 17:41:32 GMT sydsut said:

Feb 17, 2015 17:34:40 GMT markm said:

It should be noted that those 3 instances are world wide, and even then opinions are divided on causation.

Lipoid Pneumonia is caused by inhalation of oils - and e-juice contains no oils, which vaporise at much higher

temperatures than PG/VG. This was an ANTZ argument from the early days - even they have dropped it now.

To be fair to Sally - she didn't actually claim any deaths, just implied them.

She did however state serious illness was suffered, which is a bare faced falsehood.

She also stated that butterscotch flavour had to be banned but where, when, who's flavouring? The way she said it sounded as though this had already happened.

Actually she said 'withdrawn' not banned.

[sydsut]

I stand corrected but again, where, when, who's flavouring?. There are loads of butterscotches, both juices and concentrates out there still on sale. Anybody enlighten me?

[Richard46]

Feb 17, 2015 18:05:43 GMT sydsut said:

I stand corrected but again, where, when, who's flavouring?. There are loads of butterscotches, both juices and concentrates out there still on sale. Anybody enlighten me?

From memory it was the VIP one that was withdrawn.

[markm]

and a vid to follow up the briefing.

[sydsut]

Feb 17, 2015 18:07:31 GMT Richard46 said:

Feb 17, 2015 18:05:43 GMT sydsut said:

I stand corrected but again, where, when, who's flavouring?. There are loads of butterscotches, both juices and concentrates out there still on sale. Anybody enlighten me?

From memory it was the VIP one that was withdrawn.

Cheers Richard46