High Ohms reading on home made microcoils

[lairey]

Feb 19, 2015 20:53:02 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Feb 19, 2015 20:34:22 GMT Greg said:

It's yet to be confirmed but given the high resistance results my suspicion is 0.2 Kanthal is being used, now making a microcoil with that is definitely not for the faint hearted 

I agree, 0.2mm kanthal is a right PITA.  I can understand that a lot of people start coiling by re-doing their kanger heads and it's their first step into the world of rebuildables but man, that would be enough to put anyone off  

On the flip side though, if you can master the kanger heads, you can recoil anything! (apart from the bloody rose's) 

[colli]

try folding over in half and twist them tightly together
should help in reducing your ohms using wire you already have

[rednec83]

Feb 19, 2015 20:15:04 GMT Greg said:

Feb 19, 2015 20:07:16 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

Practice coiling for you dripper, the coils can be bigger and there's less fiddling about. After you have that nailed then you can try making the minuscule coils that are required for the kanger heads. Learning to build microcoils for a kanger head is madness and very frustrating for the novice.

I don't think coiling a Kanger/Evod head as a novice is madness at all. That's how I started and it's pretty straightforward, especially if you follow the excellent AAEC guide 

id recommend anyone starts here, it's not difficult with a little practice.

Iv been building coils and vaping for same amount of Time  
Started with ce4/5 then evods and tonight done my first protank mini 3. All been ranging from 2.5 down to 1 mm. Using 32g and now 30g. 
I would say it's maybe your technique.. 
Watch lots of YouTube vids from different ppl.. 
Stick with it you will get there

[Greg]

Feb 19, 2015 21:56:15 GMT rednec83 said:

Feb 19, 2015 20:15:04 GMT Greg said:

I don't think coiling a Kanger/Evod head as a novice is madness at all. That's how I started and it's pretty straightforward, especially if you follow the excellent AAEC guide 

id recommend anyone starts here, it's not difficult with a little practice.

Iv been building coils and vaping for same amount of Time  
Started with ce4/5 then evods and tonight done my first protank mini 3. All been ranging from 2.5 down to 1 mm. Using 32g and now 30g. 
I would say it's maybe your technique.. 
Watch lots of YouTube vids from different ppl.. 
Stick with it you will get there

I do hope so 

[snow]

Thanks again everyone I've ordered some 0.25 and 0.30 from stealthvape (found a 10% discount code which worked) hopefully I'll get the hang of it eventually lol

[decoy]

www.offerscheck.co.uk/magnifying-table-light/aldi/2015/kw-4/238661
i got one of these last time round and it works ruddy well try and find something similar
i learnt to coil on protank heads as well
went cross eyed trying to do a duel coil never again
but if you do have a dripper thats the best place to start as wicking and leeks arnt really a problem(lol leeks a problem for a welsh lady i think not)

[snow]

Feb 19, 2015 20:34:22 GMT Greg said:

Feb 19, 2015 20:28:24 GMT *-SARIN-* said:

But why have the frustration that OP is having learning to coil a kanger head when they have a dripper that allows for bigger bore coils and an easier deck?  I was under the impression that OP was having trouble making and fitting coils that were so small?

It's yet to be confirmed but given the high resistance results my suspicion is 0.2 Kanthal is being used, now making a microcoil with that is definitely not for the faint hearted 

Your suspicions are right Greg I checked the packaging on the fasttech wire and although most of it is in Chinese 0.2 is printed against one of the symbols - and I checked against what I ordered and I definitely did order 0.25 but appears they sent me 0.2 by mistake, presumably then this is why no matter how carefully I followed any instructions and worked out the number of wraps needed I was never going to get the right ohms for 0.25 wire and also presumably why I have been having such a torrid time trying to coil with it in the first place. That being the case *fingers crossed* when I get the right wire I should find it a bit easier. 

[Greg]

Feb 20, 2015 16:28:25 GMT snow said:

Feb 19, 2015 20:34:22 GMT Greg said:

It's yet to be confirmed but given the high resistance results my suspicion is 0.2 Kanthal is being used, now making a microcoil with that is definitely not for the faint hearted 

Your suspicions are right Greg I checked the packaging on the fasttech wire and although most of it is in Chinese 0.2 is printed against one of the symbols - and I checked against what I ordered and I definitely did order 0.25 but appears they sent me 0.2 by mistake, presumably then this is why no matter how carefully I followed any instructions and worked out the number of wraps needed I was never going to get the right ohms for 0.25 wire and also presumably why I have been having such a torrid time trying to coil with it in the first place. That being the case *fingers crossed* when I get the right wire I should find it a bit easier. 

snow, the answer to all your questions I YES 
You'll be be amazed how much easier it is to wrap a coil with 0.25.

[snow]

Greg Well I have had my delivery of real .25 and .30 kanthal I've only tried the 0.25 for now and it is indeed a lot better to wrap with than that horrible stuff I was trying to use - however the day it arrived I was having one of "those" days so it probably wasn't the best idea I ever had to try and make coils. 3 flipping hours of me refusing to be beaten ended up with me screaming four letter words throwing all my teddies out of the pram and shoving genuine kanger coils in my tanks whilst and wishing for a real fag for the first time since I started vaping. I made the coils and ok they weren't exactly micro coils but close enough, they weren't pretty either, but they read between 1.7 and 2.2 (and all readings in between lol) they glowed a nice even red when tested but every single blinking one of them absolutely refused to fire or register after being wicked! It didn't matter what I used, plaited silica rope, rayon, cotton or muji. With the wick out - the coil fired put the wick in - nothing zip nada grrrrrrrrr I tried absolutely everything I could think of but could not get the blinking things to work so I resorted to rebuilding with my tried and tested ready made wicked ones from fasttech that I use day in day out ....and a red mist descended when they wouldn't fire either! So I gave up in temper.

Yesterday afternoon my microcoil needed rewicking which I did and I decided to have another go ... can't get on with the kuro coiler but made a decent enough coil on the jig, had it reading 1.7 without the wick, shoved some muji in and gave it a go and she fired yayyyyyyyy for some reason its reading 2.5 having been wicked but whooo hooo it flipping works so I don't care!! so I had another go this time wrapping around the little blue screw driver and settling for close coils rather than a full micro coil, wicked it, bunged it in the kanger head fired it and wheeeeeee 1.4 decided to call it a day at that point but am very happy to have spent today vaping on my own home made coils at last

[Greg]

Good for you snow, keep at it now you've done the hard bit. It will get easier with practice I promise

[chykensa]

Feb 25, 2015 17:55:12 GMT Greg said:

Good for you snow, keep at it now you've done the hard bit. It will get easier with practice I promise

Absolutely agree, snow, everyone says "oh, making coils, that's really easy", but they forget the learning curve required. Now that you have made one that actually works, you know you can do it and if another one doesn't work, you will simply put it to one side and make another.
Something that doesn't get mentioned perhaps as much as it should (actually two things!) :-

1) the tails of the coil need to be pulled tight whilst you are inserting the grommet and pin in the bottom of the head, otherwise they can bend, touch the side of the metal housing, and create a short.
2) Make sure that you wiggle the excess tails off, not clip them off, however close, with clippers. This caught me out big time. Head after head would refuse to fire, and I was at the point where I was thinking that coil building wasn't for me. No matter how close you think you are clipping off the spare wire, you will leave a little tag-end and this is enough to short out the coil. Wiggling (while you apply quite firm pressure between thumb and forefinger, squeezing the completed head to avoid slippage) will avoid this issue.

Hope this helps, and here's to many more successful coils.

Now you have this under your belt, you really won't believe just how much easier recoiling something like a Kayfun is - you have so much more room to work, you can see everything that is going on, and the deck is up in the air rather than sunken down a hole!

[sydsut]

snow check when you wick them that your not pushing the coil to one side in the body. Use pointed nose tweezers to ensure that the coil is bang in the centre with the wick in, and you should be alright