VIP Flavourings . . .

[Perpetua]

Feb 22, 2012 19:53:29 GMT jsis said:

I got away with it dispatched this afternoon.

Guess the lesson is 105ml max before it affects the shipping. Bonus. £1.42 per 10ml.. Now to look forward to trying them out.

Yumm

Great stuff Jsis!

[jsis]

Yeaa.. Am very pleased. Now just to patiently wait... Lol.

[gizmondothefirst]

Feb 22, 2012 14:19:10 GMT jsis said:

Will do.. May not like it as don't usually do tobacco. If I don't, I'll send ya 5mls each. Sure my m8 here, will devour the rest of it.

Mate - that sounds like a plan! And in return I could send your way 5mls of the 555, or something?

Feb 22, 2012 20:44:40 GMT Perpetua said:

Feb 22, 2012 13:09:48 GMT maccafan said:

I am given to understand that it's best to steep for a week. I take it you are leaving the bottle caps open..

I am have also read that heating it can speed up steeping by quite a bit by immersing in a warm water bath but I am sure the expert mixers will be along shortly to give you more practical advice..

I'd agree with all that Macca . . . if you're really desperate to try your flavours Giz, I'd give it 3 days minimum . . . although a week is my preferred length of time.

Using a warm water bath/tap is a bit like forcing tomatoes to me . . . but it works for some, so I wouldn't knock it.

Going by my quick test of each juice now I think a week is the least I can do for them. I feel like mixing isn't my thing at the mo - they all seem dreadful, or lacking and I'm not sure if they need more flavour or less? I guess I will only know for sure after the week is up?!
Plus my taste buds have gone awol right now as all my usual faves, and the others, taste like cr@p and I'm not getting the satisfaction my craving desires! Hmmph!

[jsis]

How are you mixing and what flavours. Pg and vg can do different things to the finish. A lil birdy told me going back.. Vg is better for sweet flavours. Pg is better for savoury. I have a sweet tooth n vg's always been my thing. If you mix too many flavours together it can ruin it. I tend to go for a base flavour, and then a lil of this n a bit of tht to round it off. Except strawberrys n banana where I have a straight split. It's all trial n error really. Do whateva you find best.

I don't require anything in return, have bout 30 flavours as it is, and another good 40 coming. I'm fully stocked up till this side of next Christmas.

[Perpetua]

I'd try and keep it as simple as possible for now Giz with your mixing adventures, as Jsis says . . . 2 flavours in a mix maximum, although I'd just go for just one really whilst you're finding your mixing feet.

Get a couple of those to suit your tastes, then they'll give you the confidence to progress, especially if you're having an iffy taste bud time right now.

[gizmondothefirst]

The complex mix was an 'i'm excited about mixing and want to capture a sweet, creamy tobacco' mix and went in all guns blazing! That was measured using syringes (and a mixing spreadsheet I DL'd) and was 2.75ml of both 48mg PG and VG (diluted with 10% vodka) . Flavouring was put in at 10% - a total of about 22 drops (Haven't got my recipe book to hand). It was a hit and miss method but I hoped I would get lucky and pull it off first time round?!!

The other 11 mixes were done a ittle more sparingly with single flavours per mix and I opted to mix 1ml, 50% PG/Nic with 50% VG & flavours, making 24mg mix (and 10% flavour).
2 of those were menthol + flavour (Black cherry for one and lemon for the other).

I bought my flavours based on mixng them with each other: tobacco + caramel + cream and coffee + Dulce de leche and menthol + lemon/black cherry....so I don't really have an individual flavour I could make up for an all day vape and get my confidence as Perps suggests (Based on the taste test of the single flavour mixes I have made already)

My problem with mixing at the moment is not knowing when is best to test a mix to decide whether it needs more flavour adding (Or more diluent)??? or whether it's just because it needs more time to steep?

What I don't want to do is test something after a few days and think it needs more flavour, when in actual fact if I left it a further few more days it would be spot on.....if you catch my drift?

It makes it more difficult knowing that different companies make their flavours stronger than others: there seems to be no set concentration for flavourings so its all down to trial & error and experience.

[gizmondothefirst]

Feb 23, 2012 3:19:51 GMT jsis said:

I don't require anything in return, have bout 30 flavours as it is, and another good 40 coming. I'm fully stocked up till this side of next Christmas.

Mate - thats very generous...thank you

70 = flavours??? Holy cr@p...thats a whole load of mixing!! Like it

[jsis]

It is indeed lol. I have 990mls of mix to get through soon tho, and a close friend buys str8 from me too. So that has us both covered. I mix all my nic juice n vg in advance. That steeps in the cupboard and I take 5ml out as required.

I generally make 1 mix at a time, in a 5ml vile, I'm adding 30 drops flavour at mo which from reading is 30% 1.5ml. I shake it up and begin using it str8 away. I don't really notice any difference from day 1 to day 7. It will be harder if your taste buds aren't working, but is same for my straw n banana. 15drops of each, if I add to tht is generally 5 more drops of say grape, star fruit, pear or whateva to add a subtle but not overpowering mix to the base.

Cream de lulche is meant to be a flavour that if you make a bad mix, you can add that n you won't taste much else. For a tobacco mix, on 5ml, I'd add 10 -15drops of tobacco flavour and 5-8 drops of other stuff so that the tobacco is the base but with hints of whateva else your adding coming thru. It sud all be very subtle and like that if you find any taste not strong enough you can add a few more drops of what you think you need. Or change the contents of the start amount on your next 5ml.

I'll give a shout when it arrives, my hc order should be here today

[jsis]

Feb 23, 2012 10:20:36 GMT gizmondothefirst said:

Feb 23, 2012 3:19:51 GMT jsis said:

I don't require anything in return, have bout 30 flavours as it is, and another good 40 coming. I'm fully stocked up till this side of next Christmas.

Mate - thats very generous...thank you

70 = flavours??? Holy cr@p...thats a whole load of mixing!! Like it

Mis-calculated. I have 43 different types of flavour, with another 7 coming. I have extra's of the ones i like most

[jsis]

Following on from that.. This is how I make it all easier on myself. Am sure you will all do it yourselfs one day.



The juice now mixed has been put back into 9 x 110ml bottles and stored away safely. Was also left with 60ml and 10ml spare from it, which would account for the water added to it. Divided remaining 70ml VG between all just to thicken it up agen a bit.

All I have to do now is take 5mls from the 110's each time I need it and flavour it.

I prefer this method, simply for not having nicotine neat laying around. My lil neice is a curious creature at that she's also very adorable too. Furthermore it keeps me on a set nic level, so I can adapt better to it. 12mg - 15mg.

Looks good doesn't it.

Sry for the hijack perp looking forward to cake and chocolate waffles lol.

[gizmondothefirst]

Wow! And wow again! And I thought I was doing well with the few I have? I wouldn't know where to start with those though?! But 990 ml - that's just awesome. I got 120 ml from vip and took your idea and have pre-mixed 60 ml Nic juice at 24 mg. (I'm not convinced it is actually 120 ml as I've taken about 70 ml and there is less than 50 ml left! I'll measure with water once the bottle is empty)

In the meantime after extensively taste testing my mixes this afternoon I have found they have changed massively and taste much, much better! The coffee at 10% is amazing! Great by itself but I imagine would be fantastic with cream and tobacco?!

I feel much better today about mixing, although I need to find a closer match to vapor huts Marlboro???

[jsis]

Well I began at the same place your at. I found it gets intensive though and like this keeps me away from having open bottles all round the place all the time.

Am not sure where the best place for flavours is. Health Cabin have a very cheap range which amy has said contain no diactcyl. VIP vapour looks very promising too. I'm sure some others will guide you on where else you can go. But I aim around value myself. And am a fruity fella. If the base is 10%, try 2%- 5% when adding an extra flavour and adjust it accordingly. You can always add a little more unflavoured when too strong, or more flavour when not quite strong enough.

Glad your mixes taste better already. I ended up with 1060mls in the end lol.

[Perpetua]

Feb 23, 2012 18:07:34 GMT jsis said:

Sry for the hijack perp looking forward to cake and chocolate waffles lol.

Oh blimey, don't worry about that Jsis . . . it's all about learning & sharing knowledge . . . doesn't bother me one iota how we get there.

You can look at getting a base flavour that you're happy with in two ways Giz, either by mixing just one flavour, something like Cinnamon Roll you wouldn't want to be adding anything else I'd have thought.

Or, if you're making a blend . . . start by getting the flavour that you'd like to predominate to your taste, then building layers of flavour on that.

I will say though, that mixing 11 is a little too many in one go, think of your poor taste buds getting proper confused trying all those flavours out . . . less might be better, possibly.

But, good to hear it's looking more promising today . . . all those little molecules, need time to blend and infuse . . .

[jsis]

Perp is spot on there.

I forgot to mention the best bit. All costs included with 25% discount came to £45
That's £4.50 per 100ml
£1.35 per 30ml

You could see the nicotine when I 1st put it altogether perp. By the time I finished it was clear throughout with no sign of the nicotine visible. It's now left sat to stew whilst I finish the remaining 20ml of the juice I have left over from last June. I only made around 600ml bac then however at a cost of closer to £3 per 30ml. Its all part of a learning curve isn't it. Give yourself the time and pretty much anything is possible

[jsis]

And that's 600ml between my and my friend this litre will be going the same way. He wudnt know where to begin. Its nicer when you know exactly what your vaping!