Even members of the government are beginning to get it.

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Mar 27, 2015 21:50:05 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Mar 27, 2015 21:47:15 GMT @tubthumper said:

I see where you are coming from but i feel if big t got control of the ecig business it would just be a matter of time til they quadruple their prices.

A price i'm happy to pay if it saves lives and suffering.

You'd be happy to pay £100 for a subtank if BT promised to stop selling tobacco?

Very noble i'm sure.

[jevans]

Yes, there's a lot of hot air expended on this subject 300 !

Jim

[Get Off My Cloud]

Mar 28, 2015 10:05:02 GMT 300 said:

Mar 27, 2015 21:50:05 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

A price i'm happy to pay if it saves lives and suffering.

You'd be happy to pay £100 for a subtank if BT promised to stop selling tobacco?

Very noble i'm sure.

Actually yeah i would.
I've had a subtank for 3 months now and no sign of it breaking, £100 seems a bargain to me compared to 10 days worth of cigs at 20 smokes a day.

Clearly i would rather not pay that and i would rather be able to buy a whole variety of equipment but honestly if there really was a choice i think giving up part of the enjoyment of my hobby, especially the part that is nice but not absolutely necessary (collecting multiple bits of hardware) to saves lives is a no brainer.

I seriously doubt tobacco companies would raise prices on hardware that high though, they're in the game of making money from a mass market with repeat customers, that's their business model.
As i said in a previous post the vast bulk of the money you're spending on tobacco isn't going to tobacco companies it's going to the government.
Now yes it's quite possible the government might start piling heavy duty on vaping but it's not going to be on hardware it'll be on the actual consumed product the juice, just like it's on actual tobacco products and not associated hardware like rolling papers,loose filters,rolling machines,matches or lighters.

[300]

Mar 28, 2015 12:43:18 GMT Get Off My Cloud said:

Mar 28, 2015 10:05:02 GMT 300 said:

You'd be happy to pay £100 for a subtank if BT promised to stop selling tobacco?

Very noble i'm sure.

Actually yeah i would.
I've had a subtank for 3 months now and no sign of it breaking, £100 seems a bargain to me compared to 10 days worth of cigs at 20 smokes a day.

Clearly i would rather not pay that and i would rather be able to buy a whole variety of equipment but honestly if there really was a choice i think giving up part of the enjoyment of my hobby, especially the part that is nice but not absolutely necessary (collecting multiple bits of hardware) to saves lives is a no brainer.

I seriously doubt tobacco companies would raise prices on hardware that high though, they're in the game of making money from a mass market with repeat customers, that's their business model.
As i said in a previous post the vast bulk of the money you're spending on tobacco isn't going to tobacco companies it's going to the government.
Now yes it's quite possible the government might start piling heavy duty on vaping but it's not going to be on hardware it'll be on the actual consumed product the juice, just like it's on actual tobacco products and not associated hardware like rolling papers,loose filters,rolling machines,matches or lighters.

That's an interesting stance to take but i fear you'll be a tiny minority.

Personally, i take the view that i work hard for my pay, i do so for the benefit & well being of my family & would in no way feel inclined to contribute anything towards maintaining BT profit margins in order to compensate them for totally switching production to an alternative to tobacco, people already have an opportunity to save lives & to turn their back on tobacco just like we did, let them make their own choice without it costing the rest of us any more than it already does.

£100 might very well be a bargain compared to 10 days worth of cigs at 20 smokes a day, but we're comparing it to the £25 that you would currently pay to own one.

Who knows what the future holds in terms of what taxation will be & on what but that's not what we're on about here is it, the question is wether or not you would be happy to pay 4X the current price for vape gear if BT Ceased tobacco production, for you it's a yes but for me it's a definate no.

[sydsut]

What exactly can the Government tax other than Nicotine. Standard batteries, not ego/evod - No. Stainless steel, Aluminium, Copper and Brass tubes - no. Cotton Wool - no. Plastic bottles - no. Wire - no. VG - no. PG - no. Flavourings - No, The vast bulk of which is used in food manufacture. Other bits and pieces that could make up a mod or atty - no. So all they're really left with is cig-alikes and nicotine. This will never amount to the same amount as tobacco revenue lost if we all gave up stinkies tomorrow. So the governments recourse is to attack vaping and keep as many as possible on the fags while crying crocodile tears over the high mortality rates of smokers. This applies to all Governments worldwide.

[ceedee]

You're forgetting that under the TPD regime, importers and manufacturers will need to obtain device approval before they are permitted to go on sale.
It's quite possible for the government to bring in a specific duty levied on devices that are issued to distributors by those importers and manufacturers before they reach the retail market.

[Bobsbeer]

I think you are right sydsut. Juice is going to be the target. The hardware is minor compared to the volume of juice consumed. Let's face it if the hardware market dried up tomorrow most vapers already have enough atomisers to last for years. But few have nicotine stockpiled to the same extent. And it is the juice we need. Juice is consumable. My tanks if properly looked after will probably see me out. It would also be difficult preventing direct import of hardware. The domestic business will be very heavily impacted, but not the end users with access to the Internet.

[ceedee]

I suspect they'll tax both devices and nicotine concentrate.

[Bobsbeer]

Going back to the original post, I hadn't read the phe report before. Very impressed and well worth reading if you haven't . A big pat on the back for Prof Brittain.